ftaforall

[Gravedigger]

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On March 12, 2012 the United States District Court for the Central District of California entered a temporary restraining order against the owners and operators of the piracy-based websites ftaforall.us, ftaforall.info, ftaforall.net, and ftaforall.biz (“Defendants”). DISH Network, NagraStar and EchoStar filed suit against the websites and its Defendants for claims arising under the DMCA, Communications Act and ECPA. The Court’s Order required immediate lockdown and preservation of the websites, which will be held in trust pending resolution of the litigation.




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[anyonomus]

Thread reopened to see how it progresses.... Play nice in our sandbox and it will remain open.
Start discussing weather it is back up or not would be discussing other FTA sites and that is against our site rules..
Discuss the court order as the OP's post/ provided link and it shall remain open.

[herenow]

Default ftaforall

some questions where asked and never answered , what i read in the court docs is what was taken and now held in trust was the domain names , That is a big difference from the site being taken , they basically won the right to stop users from having access to the site they do not have the site itself.Im going to follow the rules and not put the name of the site , XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX . I for one wish site would stick together and promote each other as we all want what is best for the hobby . Also for those that like to read and learn there is alot out there on the net how the usa can take domains of sites that are offshore , they do not get the site but they do get the domain name .
thanks for re opening , and as they said please play nice

[anyonomus]

Sorry kalafior (http://www.satfix.net/member.php?49077-kalafior) .. That discussion if it ever comes will not be discussed here..lol
Post deleted.. ;)

[kalafior]

Sorry kalafior (http://www.satfix.net/member.php?49077-kalafior) .. That discussion if it ever comes will not be discussed here..lol
Post deleted.. ;):comfort1:

[anyonomus]

Default ftaforall

some questions where asked and never answered , what i read in the court docs is what was taken and now held in trust was the domain names , That is a big difference from the site being taken , they basically won the right to stop users from having access to the site they do not have the site itself.Im going to follow the rules and not put the name of the site , XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX . I for one wish site would stick together and promote each other as we all want what is best for the hobby . Also for those that like to read and learn there is alot out there on the net how the usa can take domains of sites that are offshore , they do not get the site but they do get the domain name .
thanks for re opening , and as they said please play nice

Unfortunately if that is all that was done there would be no issues..
Better tell the court and DN that they do not control those sites.. They seemed to have missed that part..



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[zuckr]

Unfortunately if that is all that was done there would be no issues..
Better tell the court and DN that they do not control those sites.. They seemed to have missed that part..



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[anyonomus]

Getting Bad Link Error

Thanks.. I changed the PDF to a JPEG.. see if that works.

[buddy4406]

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx they only lost the domain name.

[anyonomus]

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx they only lost the domain name.
Best to read before posting.. Post #2.. Unless u wish to be the reason this thread is closed????????
Also can u explain why the order says that they seized "all" the sites and are redirecting to a dn site?

[JCO]

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx they only lost the domain name.

Court doc seems to indicate more than that.. Including a redirect to a DN website.. Why minimise a situation ??

[anyonomus]

Court doc seems to indicate more than that.. Including a redirect to a DN website.. Why minimize a situation ??

JMHO....There is probable only a few reasons to minimize the fall out ..in no particular order ......
.. if they are relying on what they are reading from other sites without questioning them because of who posted it..
.. they did/do not want members to know it was taken over by DN..
.. they just did not read the docs included in the original links above..
.. they want to redirect members to the site that has been taken over by DN.

[herenow]

I look at the attachment , and the part you have highlighted says over and over took over domain , and can not sell or move domain , all that it true , Domains where with go-daddy and that is who turned over the domains to the court , The website is in the neatherlands where it has always been and still is .

[anyonomus]

I look at the attachment , and the part you have highlighted says over and over took over domain , and can not sell or move domain , all that it true , Domains where with go-daddy and that is who turned over the domains to the court , The website is in the neatherlands where it has always been and still is .
I am not sure what part of #3 in the jpeg attached u are not understanding..
Or are u part of the last reason ...in post #12?

[stream™]

never seen any redirect??...old or new domain

[anyonomus]

never seen any redirect??...old or new domain

Are u saying "u" never saw one or that u 100% guarantee the members there is none?

[stream™]

never seen any redirect??...old or new domain


Are u saying "u" never saw one or that u 100% guarantee the members there is none?
I'm saying i've never seen any redirects while all this has been going on...and i i've been bouncing all over

[anyonomus]

I'm saying i've never seen any redirects while all this has been going on...and i i've been bouncing all over
Thanks for being honest.. that does not mean they are not there.. hence my caution for anyone trying to visit that site..
And old saying comes to mind..
Word to the wise is sufficient.. but to each there own..
It has been posted in the court docs that the site has been taken over and controlled by DN with a redirect to a DN site..
If "anyone" is obstinate enough to log into a DN controlled site..
They will get what they deserve in the future
and if anyone suggests that anyone else log into that site ..
They are not looking after there members best interests.. JMHO...

[herenow]

.. if they are relying on what they are reading from other sites without questioning them because of who posted it..
I am reading on the actual site listed with a different extention
.. they did/do not want members to know it was taken over by DN..
They have no problem with members or other sites knowing whats going on , i think this thread is great , and all should read about Iccan and there control over the internet
.. they just did not read the docs included in the original links above..
I have read them all
.. they want to redirect members to the site that has been taken over by DN.
There has been and can not be any redirects because as the docs say the court is now in control of the domain

For some that do not understand the difference between taking a domain and taking a site , Ill make it real easy say someone removes all the signs from a Walmart , you may drive by the walmart and not see it but the walmart is still there . and if you go in you can still get all the things as usual

[JCO]

.. if they are relying on what they are reading from other sites without questioning them because of who posted it..
I am reading on the actual site listed with a different extention
.. they did/do not want members to know it was taken over by DN..
They have no problem with members or other sites knowing whats going on , i think this thread is great , and all should read about Iccan and there control over the internet
.. they just did not read the docs included in the original links above..
I have read them all
.. they want to redirect members to the site that has been taken over by DN.
There has been and can not be any redirects because as the docs say the court is now in control of the domain

For some that do not understand the difference between taking a domain and taking a site , Ill make it real easy say someone removes all the signs from a Walmart , you may drive by the walmart and not see it but the walmart is still there . and if you go in you can still get all the things as usual
The first comment you made is the clincher.. They have asked for the sizure of the domain names in the original post.. Where I come from when there is a fire i dont get out of the room I get out of the house..Unless you like playing with fire and like getting burned..
I believe I dont have to give any opinions on the other 3 statements the first one is good enough..:noidea:

[hayman]

prob a good idea for members to run a ip address search of sites they are using and if in the usa delete
d/n prob going to get sooner or later

[ITS ME!]

prob a good idea for members to run a ip address search of sites they are using and if in the usa delete
d/n prob going to get sooner or laterThere are no laws against reading at any site but if one where to go to a site thats in "Question" no matter where its hosted I would suggest to not do it with the same computer you are using for IKS/CS just in case your IKS/CS provider's data base where to be compromised and IP's discovered of the peeps that are using it those IP's could then be cross referenced with those of the IP's of posters at the site that is compromised to narrow down whos who and who will get the dreaded "Letter" from Dis* or B*v more easily!

[fifties]

There are no laws against reading at any site but if one where to go to a site thats in "Question" no matter where its hosted I would suggest to not do it with the same computer you are using for IKS/CS just in case your IKS/CS provider's data base where to be compromised and IP's discovered of the peeps that are using it those IP's could then be cross referenced with those of the IP's of posters at the site that is compromised to narrow down whos who and who will get the dreaded "Letter" from Dis* or B*v more easily!
Paranoia seems to run rampant in this "hobby", lol.
Do you honestly think DN is going to subpoena every ISP for specific addys?
Add to that the phenomena of wireless piggybacking, and it would be an exercise in legal masturbation.

So far, they have been content to simply "cut off the head" of IKS operations, with the only end-user exception -that I have heard of- being the Dark Angel situation.

During the period when they were able to shut down Viewsat/Pansat/Coolsat and take over several related FTA boards, some of where TDG had posted decryption bins, they could have tried this stunt, and sent out threatening letters, ALA Dave's tactics.

It would have definitely produced results, to a certain extent, but that's apparently not their way of doing things.

JMO.

[harescrambleracer]

I wireless piggy back off a national chain.. Hope they have fun getting me a letter.

[lemming]

never seen any redirect??...old or new domain

The redirect was refused in the order. Dish requested it as a means to serve the Does. Judge did not agree. The domains were not godaddy, the judge transfered them to them in the courts name. If the court does not have the db, they will as the Netherlandsnhas been wrking with US authorities on intellectual property theft.

[lemming]

Paranoia seems to run rampant in this "hobby", lol.
Do you honestly think DN is going to subpoena every ISP for specific addys?
Add to that the phenomena of wireless piggybacking, and it would be an exercise in legal masturbation.

So far, they have been content to simply "cut off the head" of IKS operations, with the only end-user exception -that I have heard of- being the Dark Angel situation.

During the period when they were able to shut down Viewsat/Pansat/Coolsat and take over several related FTA boards, some of where TDG had posted decryption bins, they could have tried this stunt, and sent out threatening letters, ALA Dave's tactics.

It would have definitely produced results, to a certain extent, but that's apparently not their way of doing things.

JMO.
They subpoenad each of the 70 DAend users in us court so far. But they had the money trail first,and ip's,from the siezed server.

[lonster1]

The domain names can be seized or held by a US court if the domain is controlled by a US provider.

A database or site contents can become the victim of the same if hosted in the US.

If a site is offshore there must be co-operation from either the authorities from the hosting country or the hosting co. that hosts the actual site.

[lemming]

The domain names can be seized or held by a US court if the domain is controlled by a US provider.

A database or site contents can become the victim of the same if hosted in the US.

If a site is offshore there must be co-operation from either the authorities from the hosting country or the hosting co. that hosts the actual site.

Yes like the Netherlands, Hong Kong, Panama etc etc. Dont let offshore fool you. Non US sites have been siezed since H card days.Now if they were hosted in Cuba,Iran or North Korea, you might be safer, but might also be in violation of sanctions lol.

[harescrambleracer]

They subpoenad each of the 70 DAend users in us court so far. But they had the money trail first,and ip's,from the siezed server.Just shows everyone needs to use a fake name on everything.. Your WU transfer. Or your visa prepaid if possible. And if you get internet make sure you get wireless in someone else name, or dialup(make sure you don't use dial up with a phone that in your name). Cable or DSL is more risky because your house address is on file. (use a fake PO box address when signing up for dialup or wireless internet, it doesn't matter if you get the bill in the mail, I put money on gift card to pay bill online.). It's alot better to piggy back if possible. And your email that you use.. Make sure you don't use an email in your name.. Yes there is some work and creative thinking in doing this. But if your name and address isn't on anything. And your ip isn't in your name. And your use fake names on your money transfers... your will be much safer.. I used my ex wife's lover's name on most things... :) One more thing.. If you want to be even more safe, get a trust and put everything you own in it.. This is a civil matter and if you don't own anything they can't take anything..

[surfinisfun]

Just shows everyone needs to use a fake name on everything.. Your WU transfer. Or your visa prepaid if possible. And if you get internet make sure you get wireless in someone else name, or dialup. Cable or DSL is more risky because your house address is on file. (use a fake PO box address when signing up for dialup or wireless internet, it doesn't matter if you get the bill in the mail, I put money on gift card to pay bill online.). It's alot better to piggy back if possible. And your email that you use.. Make sure you don't use an email in your name.. Yes there is some work and creative thinking in doing this. But if your name and address isn't on anything. And your ip isn't in your name. And your use fake names on your money transfers... your will be much safer.. I used my ex wife's lover's name on most things... :)

Thats, maybe why she's your ex, she had a paranoid husband that keeps rolling with zig zag blues.lol

Just having a little fun bud, i agree with your post just not to the degree of just how far anyone will go for guppies.

[user1644]

i am loving this,legal masturbation,ex-wife boyfriend.who needs t.v

[Le_Gnome]

You will find that DN is probably using these tactics as a test case. No need to go after the physical server, take the domain name using the DMCA in the courts. Then let the paranoia stigma of the site kill it off.

We will be seeing this happening more to other sites. They could even start using mass court cases to take them all out at once.

It does sound like like I am preaching "doom and gloom", but I actually consider it more of a reality check for all of us!

[diolam]

they are up already use "COMMON SENSE"

[lemming]

they are up already use xxxx

Any is going to get you! Lol

[anyonomus]

Unfortunately for u darbydog your one and only post was political in nature and is not allowed on fix..
Please review the site rules and if u wish to join in on the conversation.. Please do ... but leave the politics where they belong..and that is not in the forums of fix..
Have a great weekend. :)

[Le_Gnome]

Well since someone decided to activate this thread here is more good news for everyone, along the same lines of the OP.

CP
US gov’t claims right to seize any .com domain
dot-com-domain-seisure

The US government says that it may legally seize any domain ending in .com, .net, and other popular top-level domains.

If your domain ends in .com, the United States government says it has the right to seize it from your control, reports Wired. The same goes for any URL that ends in .net, .cc, .tv, .name, and .org.

This troubling declaration of power comes after US authorities shutdown the online sports gambling site Bodog.com last week — even though the website was owned by a Canadian company, which many assumed put it outside of US jurisdiction. Not so, apparently. That’s because the only company allowed to issue new .com domains is VeriSign, which is based — you guessed it — in the US.

According to a spokesperson for the department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), anytime the US government wants to take down a .com, .net, .tv, or .name domain, all it has to do is issue a court order to VeriSign, which quickly complies. The same process applies to the Public Interest Registry, which controls the .org top-level domain.

VeriSign, for its part, argues that it is simply obeying the law.

“VeriSign responds to lawful court orders subject to its technical capabilities,” the company said in a statement. “When law enforcement presents us with such lawful orders impacting domain names within our registries, we respond within our technical capabilities.”

The seizure of Bodog is an extension of a government initiative called Operation in Our Sites, which launched in June 2010, and has mainly focused on the seizure of US-based domains hocking counterfeit NFL jerseys, and other knockoff goods. As of November of last year, Operation in Our Sites had successfully seized 352 domains. And it obviously doesn’t look like they plan to stop anytime soon.

There a few reasons this brazen flaunting of power is troubling. First, it suggests that the federal government plans to impose its authority on a wider swath of the Web. Second, it shows that while the Internet is a global service, it is still at the mercy of the US government and US law. Online gambling, for instance, isn’t illegal in all countries that have Internet access. And yet Bodog was shut down simply because US citizens could access it.

Finally, the federal government’s apparent determination to assert its authority on the Web should serve as a wake up call to anyone who thinks that the temporary defeat of SOPA and PIPA marked the end of the fight for Internet freedom. It didn’t. It marked the beginning.

Update: A few readers have asked why .com is under US jurisdiction, given its worldwide use. A good question, and one I should have addressed the first time around. The short, obnoxious answer is: the US made the Internet, so it gets to make the rules.

[Crazy Carl]

interesting read Le_Gnome thanks for the post

[lemming]

Goofball relaunched site with .tk extension. Now he is facing contempt.

[buddy4406]

Google the name and you will find it.

[Nostradamus]

welcome to Satfix

[mabs]

.com is the extension for us commercial so that is why they can seize it. I think it also needs to be said that they seize the domain name but not the site.

[elk10]

Looks to me if you are worried about the Netherlands cooperating with the US on turning over these sites, you may want to check where most of them are including this one. I am not that paranoid yet.

[spike52]

Who cares about that site anyway totally useless information now and if not a fan boy get banned and oh yes, Mr Sonicview will be posting there again, funny some posters there actually still believe in this guy.

[elk10]

Here is the latest on them from their site.

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Dear FTAFORALL Members,

FTAFORALL are taking offline the site for the time being to comply with the court order. Please stay tuned for further info if there is any.

Thank you to all members for your understanding and supports

Best Regards,
Admin

I disagree with spike52 on this one. It is a shame to see any site in the community go down. Even though the mods there hated me and ban me for life. It was at one time one of the best sites to get information from, it was just run in a Communist way.

[ripp]

Shame we lost another, had been a member there for a few years but figured it was not worth contributing there since the mods kept editing so many posts.
I guess with SV dead and buried and no "new and improved team" no sense in keeping the site up.
none the less, never good to lose a site or a dealer in this hobby whether they were good or not.

[spike52]

good riddance really, why have a site thats always banning for true posts and the edit post.

[Anubis]

This was just posted at satscams....

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California Federal Court Holds Tan Nguyen, Operator of the ftaforall Websites in Contempt of Injunction Orders and Imposes Sanctions

On May 14, 2012 the United States District Court for the Central District of California entered an order finding Tan Nguyen in contempt of the Court’s injunction Orders. Nguyen is the owner/operator of ftaforall.us, ftaforall.info, ftaforall.biz and ftaforall.net. NagraStar and DISH Network filed suit against Nguyen and the websites in March of this year. The Court entered a Temporary Restraining Order shutting down the websites and enjoining Nguyen from further statutory violations. After Nguyen re-launched the enjoined content on ftaforall.tk, the Court entered a Preliminary Injunction Order. Today’s Order by the Court holds Defendant in contempt of both of those injunctions and Orders defendant to pay fines to the court after 7 days starting in the amount of $1,000 per day and escalating to $10,000 per day until he is in full compliance.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

This was just posted at satscams....

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California Federal Court Holds Tan Nguyen, Operator of the ftaforall Websites in Contempt of Injunction Orders and Imposes Sanctions

On May 14, 2012 the United States District Court for the Central District of California entered an order finding Tan Nguyen in contempt of the Court’s injunction Orders. Nguyen is the owner/operator of ftaforall.us, ftaforall.info, ftaforall.biz and ftaforall.net. NagraStar and DISH Network filed suit against Nguyen and the websites in March of this year. The Court entered a Temporary Restraining Order shutting down the websites and enjoining Nguyen from further statutory violations. After Nguyen re-launched the enjoined content on ftaforall.tk, the Court entered a Preliminary Injunction Order. Today’s Order by the Court holds Defendant in contempt of both of those injunctions and Orders defendant to pay fines to the court after 7 days starting in the amount of $1,000 per day and escalating to $10,000 per day until he is in full compliance.



Well that explains it.



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