caribbean help. . .amazonas 61w

[risk]

im at xx lat and xx log
ele 74.5 degrees
azimuth 186.2 (true) 201.4 (mag)
im usin a 4ft dish (guys here pick up the signal with this) and this LNB /www.digiwavetechnologies.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=19&MMN_position=40:25

for a receiver i have Viewsat Ultra with the lastest file i found here.

my problem:
on my screen i get 65-78% signal strenth, but my qulity never once moved, i have tried movin the dish about 30-40 degrees from my startin direction with no luck.

any guide lines you guys can give?

[stman]

Be sure that you are using a transponder that is active for your area. Many of the tps on Amazonas are spot beams.
/http://www.lyngsat.com/amazonas1.html

[TurboPirate]

im at xx lat and xx log
ele 74.5 degrees
azimuth 186.2 (true) 201.4 (mag)
im usin a 4ft dish (guys here pick up the signal with this) and this LNB /www.digiwavetechnologies.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=19&MMN_position=40:25

for a receiver i have Viewsat Ultra with the lastest file i found here.

my problem:
on my screen i get 65-78% signal strenth, but my qulity never once moved, i have tried movin the dish about 30-40 degrees from my startin direction with no luck.

any guide lines you guys can give?

First: where are you?
Second: did you skew the LNB before aiming for the sat?
Third: did you use the 61.5 sat first to then just make very small adjustments to find 61?

[TurboPirate]

This is what you need to do, and I am guessing here because I don't know where you are, and this sat is not strong for all places.
Using Linear LNB aim the dish to 61.5 with this TP TP12414 H 20000 ¾. once you got signal from that sat make marks on your dish so you can use as reference, then change receiver to 61w TP 11808 H 26667 2/3, once you get quality, the best you can, then use TP 12132 H 28880 3/4, if there is no quality don't move the dish, just skew the LNB, quaity will go up.
Also I need more info, what dish do you have? does it grab the LNB by the neck or the base? if the base then what LNB Bracket are you using? Photos will be best, so I can help you better and you get the signal quicker.

[TurboPirate]

This are the working TP Amz.
Credit to Jenuel

[risk]

Also I need more info, what dish do you have? does it grab the LNB by the neck or the base? if the base then what LNB Bracket are you using? Photos will be best, so I can help you better and you get the signal quicker.

im using a 4ft circular (dtv dish).
it grabs the LNB by the base.
i didnt use any bracket, it just replaced the old one. was like a plug-n-play item.
i will get some photos tomorrow.



First: where are you?
Second: did you skew the LNB before aiming for the sat?
Third: did you use the 61.5 sat first to then just make very small adjustments to find 61?

im in Barbados, where ppl are pickin up this signal with the 4ft dish, same that i have.

i didnt skew the LNB. how do i go about doin this?

i didnt use the 61.5 sat. . .i honestly didnt know it would have been easier to do this to find 61w.

can you see the LNB in the link? its the very same oe which i have. . .


http://www.digiwavetechnologies.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=19&MMN_position=40:25

[TurboPirate]

Yes you are right, I have a friend in Barbados and he has Amz with 3'feet dish, what I don't know if 61.5 signal gets there, but I do remember what he did to aim to amz, Right now you need a LNB Bracket, trust me you need it to aim to amz, then you skew the LNB and will start moving dish til the quality appears. I am going to invite my friend Jenuel he has more expirience then me aiming to amz, so we both help you til you get it working.
BTW the same LNB I used I also use a lower Noise LNB 0.2

[risk]

i have been doin some readin on 'skewing' LNBs and it seems that from the poisition which its in in the original state i have to turn mine (based on
www.dishpointer.com) 6 degrees clock wise. . .

am i correct?

then maybe i can start seein some crap on my qulity bar :yeaah: ?

i will look into a bracket tomorrow.

thanks

[TurboPirate]

i have been doin some readin on 'skewing' LNBs and it seems that from the poisition which its in in the original state i have to turn mine (based on
www.dishpointer.com) 6 degrees clock wise. . .

am i correct?

then maybe i can start seein some crap on my qulity bar :yeaah: ?

i will look into a bracket tomorrow.

thanks

Yes but some LNB Bracket wont let you get the 6 clock look a like so the same skew for that degree is with cables of the LNB UP standing behind the dish it will look like 11pm

[TurboPirate]

Maybe it will look different since I am in Puerto Rico, elevation might also be different, but here you can see that the best LNB Bracket wont let me have the LNB a little tilted that is why is up side down.

[TurboPirate]

Using dishpointer for my location this is the info giving to me, compare to what dish pointer gives you, and if you can copy and paste like I did, I know Jenuel can tell the best skew for you.
Elevation: 67.6°
Azimuth (true): 161.1°
Azimuth (magn.): 173.4°
LNB Skew [?]: -17.9°

Is it this one what you get?

Satellite: 61.0W Amazonas

Elevation: 74.4°
Azimuth (true): 186.4°
Azimuth (magn.): 201.7°
LNB Skew [?]: 6.2°

Another thing, please don't get the LNB Bracket that is half metal and half plastic, this will lead to no good quality if not any at all with this sat.

[risk]

Using dishpointer for my location this is the info giving to me, compare to what dish pointer gives you, and if you can copy and paste like I did, I know Jenuel can tell the best skew for you.
Elevation: 67.6°
Azimuth (true): 161.1°
Azimuth (magn.): 173.4°
LNB Skew [?]: -17.9°

Is it this one what you get?

Satellite: 61.0W Amazonas

Elevation: 74.4°
Azimuth (true): 186.4°
Azimuth (magn.): 201.7°
LNB Skew [?]: 6.2°

Another thing, please don't get the LNB Bracket that is half metal and half plastic, this will lead to no good quality if not any at all with this sat.


Dish Setup Data

Elevation: 74.5°
Azimuth (true): 186.2°
Azimuth (magn.): 201.4°
LNB Skew [?]: 6.0°

im not even sure if i will be able to get a genuine LNB bracket here, i was thinkin about makin one. . .

just for trial and error can i just mount the LNB some how just to see if i get signal?


i was thinking to make something of the sort. . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUaqBpP4Yow

[TurboPirate]

Dish Setup Data

Elevation: 74.5°
Azimuth (true): 186.2°
Azimuth (magn.): 201.4°
LNB Skew [?]: 6.0°

im not even sure if i will be able to get a genuine LNB bracket here, i was thinkin about makin one. . .

just for trial and error can i just mount the LNB some how just to see if i get signal?

It will be a difficult matter but let me give you some photos of home made brackets, just compare to where the LNB goes originally that with the bracket the LNB is aiming to the right spot on the dish.

[TurboPirate]

This are few of the LNB Brackets home made, credit goes to many not me for this photos.

[TurboPirate]

This one is the easiest. Made with a PVC T 11/2 inch if I remember correctly, then you cut it as you see it in picture and with a L metal you hold it to the Dish arm.

[FIRE FACE]

for a receiver i have Viewsat Ultra with the lastest file i found here.

my problem:
on my screen i get 65-78% signal strenth, but my qulity never once moved, i have tried movin the dish about 30-40 degrees from my startin direction with no luck.

any guide lines you guys can give?

Hi,
My friend...It's very hard found the signal with a Viewsat...
If you have CW-700 or CW-800s will be much easier to find the signal from Amazonas with one of those receiver ...

¡Good Luck!

[risk]

Hi,
My friend...It's very hard found the signal with a Viewsat...
If you have CW-700 or CW-800s will be much easier to find the signal from Amazonas with one of those receiver ...

¡Good Luck!

hi there. . .whats up?

well the Viewsat Ultra and the DreamBox 500-S are not my personal receivers. . .i should be gettin mine tomorrow which is a Sonicview 360 Elite also comin with it is a signal finder.

how is this one? i know of someone here who said that his works grewat, but he is also usin a 6 foot dish.



any other help can you give on the LNB? this seems to be my hardest part.

[TurboPirate]

This is the best of all.
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_lrYNrz1za2U/Sy5H_Ho3_DI/AAAAAAAAABs/w9uuMzx54RY/s800/100_0348.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_lrYNrz1za2U/Sy5KSCnmXbI/AAAAAAAAACM/e5YSaZMU444/s800/100_0350.JPG

[risk]

This is the best of all.


nice!!!!


Question: i was thinkin while drivin and it came cross my mind. . .


just bear in mind im new to all this and im doin my readin also, but i still dont understand why we (general) need do this 'skew' with the LNB. . .

the satellite signal, dish and LNB are like when you take lets say a mirror and you are reflectin a light source to a target, eg we have the sun as our source, the mirror as our reflector and a person across the room and the target and we adjust the mirror until we hit the target. . .we never once hav to adjust the target. . .now some may say the target in this case is NOT movin with the mirror but even if it was you can always adjust until you hit the target. . .

so i say all that to say. . .or ask why do we need to adjust the LNB?

[TurboPirate]

nice!!!!


Question: i was thinkin while drivin and it came cross my mind. . .


just bear in mind im new to all this and im doin my readin also, but i still dont understand why we (general) need do this 'skew' with the LNB. . .

the satellite signal, dish and LNB are like when you take lets say a mirror and you are reflectin a light source to a target, eg we have the sun as our source, the mirror as our reflector and a person across the room and the target and we adjust the mirror until we hit the target. . .we never once hav to adjust the target. . .now some may say the target in this case is NOT movin with the mirror but even if it was you can always adjust until you hit the target. . .

so i say all that to say. . .or ask why do we need to adjust the LNB?

The world is not flat is round, in order to get the signal the straight way you need to skew the LNB so the Horizontal signal gets that way and Vertical signal to, with Circular LNB skew is not needed the signal travels circular, but the linear signal is a line H and V.
Look at it this way, the world is round the sat is up there sending the signal the skew will align the LNB looking straight to sat like the mirror you mention

[risk]

and so im really learning now. . .things are makin sence as we go. . .

you see when playin around with the boxes i see the "H" and "V" and all i know is the meanin, but i had no idea the signal comes either or, or circular. . .

so based on what you are sayin. . .its not that its NOT set up correctly and gettin the best reflection (signal from sat), but the ANGLE the reflection (signal from sat) hits/enters the LNB at is also very important in THIS case.

AND would you say this is why im gettin a high signal but NO quailty? its sencing the signal but cant make any sence of it, basically?

OK, so this is what is meant on dishpointer.com when they say that LNB skew is not necessary for satellites with circular polarization and they gave an example by stating DirecTV Dish Network.


your help this far is muchly appreciated.:thumbsup:


question: since im to skew my LNB 6 degrees in a clock wise direction if standin behind the dish. . . am i to assume that the position the LNB fits/sits on the original holder is always my starting point?

[FIRE FACE]

and so im really learning now. . .things are makin sence as we go. . .

you see when playin around with the boxes i see the "H" and "V" and all i know is the meanin, but i had no idea the signal comes either or, or circular. . .

so based on what you are sayin. . .its not that its NOT set up correctly and gettin the best reflection (signal from sat), but the ANGLE the reflection (signal from sat) hits/enters the LNB at is also very important in THIS case.

AND would you say this is why im gettin a high signal but NO quailty? its sencing the signal but cant make any sence of it, basically?

OK, so this is what is meant on dishpointer.com when they say that LNB skew is not necessary for satellites with circular polarization and they gave an example by stating DirecTV Dish Network.


your help this far is muchly appreciated.:thumbsup:


question: since im to skew my LNB 6 degrees in a clock wise direction if standin behind the dish. . . am i to assume that the position the LNB fits/sits on the original holder is always my starting point?
I have a question my friend...
Where do you live?

[risk]

I have a question my friend...
Where do you live?


Barbados.


i went out playin with the dish with the helpful hints i have been gettin from on here. . .i setup the tv and receiver somewhere i can see it when movin around the LNB. . .and wow. . .i started to see my quality bar go up, but i cant hold it steady to see if i can view a channel. . . :tehe:

[FIRE FACE]

These pictures show the position of the LNB
http://www.satfix.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2332&stc=1&d=1261267705

...If you have this type of Dish, this is the position of the LNB
http://www.satfix.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2333&stc=1&d=1261267705

Good Luck!

[risk]

i forgot to ask.

how should i setup the LNB in the menu?

they give me options for the LNB

LNB type: standard or universal
LNB Freq: 5150 - 11475
22khz: ON or Off?
TP Freq: 10975-12190

i think it was Jenuel was askin about settin up one on 61.5w. . .i have been lookin at the list of sats on the box and i see 61.5w is Echostar 3. . .a guy used to pickup on that, but he said he was only gettin like 8 channels but his LNB was never skewed either.


Name: 61.5W Echostar 12, 3
Declination Angle: 2.3°
Elevation: 74.5°
Azimuth (true): 188.3°
Azimuth (magn.): 203.6°
LNB Skew [?]: 8.1°

[TurboPirate]

I have a question my friend...
Where do you live?


i forgot to ask.

how should i setup the LNB in the menu?

they give me options for the LNB

LNB type: standard or universal
LNB Freq: 5150 - 11475
22khz: ON or Off?
TP Freq: 10975-12190

i think it was Jenuel was askin about settin up one 61.5w. . .i have been lookin at the list of sats on the box and i see 61.5w is Echostar 3. . .a guy used to pickup on that, but he said he was only gettin like 8 channels.

I mention 61.5, but 61 is the one you want, using the 61.5 helps a lot, once you get the 61.5 mark the elevation and azimuth with magic marker, then change in the receiver from sat 61.5 to amz 61, TP 11808 S/R 26667 FEC 2/3
LNB Type Standard.
LNB Freq 10750
22KHz OFF
with 61.5 locked you just need to move the dish azimuth (left-right) standing behind the dish a tiny thing to left and a little less elevation, Hint, some times when you have 61.5 locked if the signal is good enough when with the remote you change to amz 61 and the TP I told you, the quality goes UP and message appears Amz 61w found, from here you just get the best quality, after this with remote look for tp 12132 wish is the weaker TP if there is no quality don't move the dish, start skewing a bit until quality shows.

[TurboPirate]

These pictures show the position of the LNB
http://www.satfix.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2332&stc=1&d=1261267705

...If you have this type of Dish, this is the position of the LNB
http://www.satfix.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2333&stc=1&d=1261267705

Good Luck!

Like you see in Jenuel's Photos the depending on LNB Bracket you can have it almost straight, if not then to gain quality it has to be straight UP.

[risk]

I mention 61.5, but 61 is the one you want, using the 61.5 helps a lot, once you get the 61.5 mark the elevation and azimuth with magic marker, then change in the receiver from sat 61.5 to amz 61, TP 11808 S/R 26667 FEC 2/3
LNB Type Standard.
LNB Freq 10750
22KHz OFF
with 61.5 locked you just need to move the dish azimuth (left-right) standing behind the dish a tiny thing to left and a little less elevation, Hint, some times when you have 61.5 locked if the signal is good enough when with the remote you change to amz 61 and the TP I told you, the quality goes UP and message appears Amz 61w found, from here you just get the best quality, after this with remote look for tp 12132 wish is the weaker TP if there is no quality don't move the dish, start skewing a bit until quality shows.

can you please break down a it more. .. what does the letters mean?

all of this still looks like French to me

-->TP 11808 S/R 26667 FEC 2/3 <--

you said
after this with remote look for tp 12132 wish is the weaker TP

why would i look up the 'weaker' TP?

[TurboPirate]

can you please break down a it more. .. what does the letters mean?

all of this still looks like French to me

-->TP 11808 S/R 26667 FEC 2/3 <--

you said

why would i look up the 'weaker' TP?

OK TP=Transponder
S/R= Symbol Rate
Fec is just like that FEC in all receivers, 2/3, 3/4 and some times I use Auto if lyngsat doesn't give me a FEC
Why look at the weaker TP? easy if you don't then after you set the dish with the strongest TP 11808 with the best quality, and you don't change the TP to 12132 and keep tweaking the dish, after you sat scan you will not have all the channels, just a few.

All receivers have under Amz a list of TP that don't work no more, the new up to date TP you have to enter them manually. After is done then you can aim the dish and get the best quality to see all the channels.
I'll give you a how to Viewsat for amz.

[TurboPirate]

Use this and make sure all TP are there.
One more thing, signal meter is the signal between receiver and LNB, Quality is the signal between LNB and satellite.

[risk]

is there also one for the SonicView 360 Elite?
since this is my personal system, the Viewsat is my buddy's.

thanks


p.s is the SonicView which im gettin a good system?
compared to what Jenuel posted up "CW 700 or CW 800"

[TurboPirate]

is there also one for the SonicView 360 Elite?
since this is my personal system, the Viewsat is my buddy's.

thanks


p.s is the SonicView which im gettin a good system?
compared to what Jenuel posted up "CW 700 or CW 800"

I think there is one for SV360, let me look OK.

[TurboPirate]

Here it is my friend...........good luck.

[TurboPirate]

And some more ideas on how to make a LNB Bracket.
Credit of this photos is not mine, author anonymous:

[risk]

Here it is my friend...........good luck.

hi guy, thanks for the info. . .i believe when i get hold of mine i should be able to fight through it, but do we have it in English? :tehe:
bad snow storm in NY stop my friend from gettin on the flight


love the idea for the brackets, i will go shoppin tomorrow.

[TurboPirate]

hi guy, thanks for the info. . .i believe when i get hold of mine i should be able to fight through it, but do we have it in English? :tehe:
bad snow storm in NY stop my friend from gettin on the flight


love the idea for the brackets, i will go shoppin tomorrow.

Nope, not in English, but photos should lead you to know wish button to press for the configuration.

[risk]

can you explain this?

i bought NEW cable to run from dish to receiver, when hooked up im gettin good signal NO quality. . .however yesterday when i hooked up the box closer to the dish with the OLD cable which i got with the dish i lost all signal and my quality was through the roof BUT NO signal. . .i switched it back to the NEW cable and it was normal again. . .

why would cable do this?

[TurboPirate]

can you explain this?

i bought NEW cable to run from dish to receiver, when hooked up im gettin good signal NO quality. . .however yesterday when i hooked up the box closer to the dish with the OLD cable which i got with the dish i lost all signal and my quality was through the roof BUT NO signal. . .i switched it back to the NEW cable and it was normal again. . .

why would cable do this?

Because, signal is the connection between LNB and receiver, quality is the the signal between satellite and LNB, if the cable is not good the signal drops.

[TurboPirate]

Have you fix the problem with the cable?

[risk]

Have you fix the problem with the cable?


yea, i just used my other cable (the NEW one).

i also made an LNB bracket today. . .set my dish to the 186 degrees, 74.5 and the LNB 6 degrees. . .still i get no joy.

any other small pointers?

[TurboPirate]

yea, i just used my other cable (the NEW one).

i also made an LNB bracket today. . .set my dish to the 186 degrees, 74.5 and the LNB 6 degrees. . .still i get no joy.

any other small pointers?

Did you make sure the LNB is pointing to the same spot where the LNB pointed when it was installed in the square arm? Make sure is pointing to where it should be, my friend has amz with 3.feet dish 75% of quality and he lives in Barbados north.

[risk]

Did you make sure the LNB is pointing to the same spot where the LNB pointed when it was installed in the square arm? Make sure is pointing to where it should be, my friend has amz with 3.feet dish 75% of quality and he lives in Barbados north.

yup, i did my very best in makin sure its in the same orientation whihc is was originally.

hight, angle and pointing.

im wondering if its this Viewsat box.
one guy told me he does not get good picture with the viewsat, and he also has a sonicview which does the job everytime.

what receiver is your friend using?

[TurboPirate]

yup, i did my very best in makin sure its in the same orientation whihc is was originally.

hight, angle and pointing.

im wondering if its this Viewsat box.
one guy told me he does not get good picture with the viewsat, and he also has a sonicview which does the job everytime.

what receiver is your friend using?

Yes Viewsat is not the best to do aiming or sathunting, the best for this is coolsat, has an excellent tuner, do you have SonicView? Use this one, Did you try 61.5 first?

[risk]

what do you think about this LNB bracket?
im thinkin about orderin one ASAP.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390030657315&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[risk]

Yes Viewsat is not the best to do aiming or sathunting, the best for this is coolsat, has an excellent tuner, do you have SonicView? Use this one, Did you try 61.5 first?


my friend is still trapped in NY in the snow storm with my Sonicview, so i dont have it as yet.

i wanted to try the 61.5w but i will need a file or something, im not seein it in the drop down list on the viewsat box.

and i will also need the setting to use.

[TurboPirate]

what do you think about this LNB bracket?
im thinkin about orderin one ASAP.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390030657315&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

That is the LNB Bracket I told you is the bad one, it misslead the LNB aiming, but if its the only one available for you then try it.

[risk]

That is the LNB Bracket I told you is the bad one, it misslead the LNB aiming, but if its the only one available for you then try it.


can you show me a better one which i can order from ebay or maybe get from P.R?

[TurboPirate]

can you show me a better one which i can order from ebay or maybe get from P.R?

I already did also Jenuel gave you photos, check the thread post by post, I think it is in second page.
Yep I just checked it is on 2nd page Jenuel's post.

[TurboPirate]

Up load the photos of your dish with the bracket you made, maybe I can help with the aiming.

[risk]

I already did also Jenuel gave you photos, check the thread post by post, I think it is in second page.
Yep I just checked it is on 2nd page Jenuel's post.


i meant to find one and purchase it.

maybe there is somewhere in P.R where has them that i can order one quickly is what i meant.


hxxp://transatelectronics.com/store/replacement-lnb-holder-for-kuband-dish_P486?zenid=02cb654a0c42689b72d3f02d4e073894


hxxp://transatelectronics.com/store/cband-lnb-bracket-for-kuband-dish_P469?zenid=02cb654a0c42689b72d3f02d4e073894

[risk]

here is a few cell phone pics since my buddy still my camera


http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/05typeR/sat1.jpg


here is an ALL plastic holder im thinkin about orderin if you guys approve of it


http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/05typeR/plasticholder.jpg

[TurboPirate]

i meant to find one and purchase it.

maybe there is somewhere in P.R where has them that i can order one quickly is what i meant.


hxxp://transatelectronics.com/store/replacement-lnb-holder-for-kuband-dish_P486?zenid=02cb654a0c42689b72d3f02d4e073894


hxxp://transatelectronics.com/store/cband-lnb-bracket-for-kuband-dish_P469?zenid=02cb654a0c42689b72d3f02d4e073894

OK I know of a FTA shops that has it and they mailed to barbados , vieques and some other island, site is

http://www.cokione.com/sale.html

[TurboPirate]

here is a few cell phone pics since my buddy still my camera


http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/05typeR/sat2.jpg


http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/05typeR/sat3.jpg


http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/05typeR/sat1.jpg


here is an ALL plastic holder im thinkin about orderin if you guys approve of it


http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/05typeR/plasticholder.jpg

Wait, the bracket you made it looks like it can do the job the right way. Don't purshace anything, that one can do the job.

[TurboPirate]

OK I know by looking at the photo the dish is higher then you, give the LNB some skew, example, if you stand in front of the dish the lower part of the LNB where the cables are connected that looks is aiming to 7PM, like this photo of jenuel.
Wait I see the specs for your location says 6 not -6 so you need to skew the other way, the opposite of Jenuels photo, looking like 4 or 5pm, then start looking, I suggest looking for 61.5 first.

[TurboPirate]

Let me see if my friend from Barbados got cell phone working, he'll tell me the right skew for your location.

[risk]

Let me see if my friend from Barbados got cell phone working, he'll tell me the right skew for your location.

ok kool. . .cause based on the dishpointer site i have my stuff set up to there specs.

i will try the 61.5w and see what happens.

[risk]

man, this seems to be harder than i thought. . .

but im not goin to give if im still gettin help. . .

i just tried the 61.5w, i played around with the azimuth and the skew, nothing is happening.

i cant wait for my sonicview to be in my hand, this may slove my problems :D

[TurboPirate]

man, this seems to be harder than i thought. . .

but im not goin to give if im still gettin help. . .

i just tried the 61.5w, i played around with the azimuth and the skew, nothing is happening.

i cant wait for my sonicview to be in my hand, this may slove my problems :D

Indeed Sv is your solution, VS receivers are the worst for aiming a dish, ok let me give you the info.

[TurboPirate]

OK under 61.5 check if you have TP12414 H 20000 ¾ if not enter it manually, with that TP you'll aim for 61.5 using the digiwave LNB you have like I do.

[TurboPirate]

In your VS under 61west amazonas do you see all this TP's?
You can use the Vertical one, it doesn't have any channels, but it is the strongest. 12132 V 27000 3/4

[TurboPirate]

ok kool. . .cause based on the dishpointer site i have my stuff set up to there specs.

i will try the 61.5w and see what happens.

In your photos I see LNB straight, it needs skew, like it is on 4 or 5 pm, standing in front of your dish.
You might have elevation right, and azimuth right but if the skew is not set, no quality will show.

[TurboPirate]

Make sure the dish is aiming to the azimuth giving to you by dishpointer.
201.7º

[risk]

In your photos I see LNB straight, it needs skew, like it is on 4 or 5 pm, standing in front of your dish.
You might have elevation right, and azimuth right but if the skew is not set, no quality will show.

i guess from the side view you cant see the degrees i skew the lnb to, so i took a late night shot, viewin from dish side.

i also tried everything you posted up this evenin. . .nothing.
yes i have my old boy scout compass and i set the azimuth accordin to dishpointer.

i also was readin here http://www.satfix.net/showthread.php?t=4007 and then after i reattached the old DTV lnb just to try for 61.5w still i got no joy. . .the funny thing is with the DTV lnb the guy with the smaller dish 'was' gettin 61.5w, now he cant.

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/05typeR/P231209_1805.jpg

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i guess from the side view you cant see the degrees i skew the lnb to, so i took a late night shot, viewin from dish side.

i also tried everything you posted up this evenin. . .nothing.
yes i have my old boy scout compass and i set the azimuth accordin to dishpointer.

i also was readin here http://www.satfix.net/showthread.php?t=4007 and then after i reattached the old DTV lnb just to try for 61.5w still i got no joy. . .the funny thing is with the DTV lnb the guy with the smaller dish 'was' gettin 61.5w, now he cant.

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/05typeR/P231209_1805.jpg

Use the same digiwave for 61.5 using the TP 12414, is a linear TP used to pick up 61.5 without the need to swap LNB's. Yes the degree looks great. Same settings, LNB Freq 10750, TP 12414 LNB Type Normal 22Khz OFF

[TurboPirate]

The elevation looks lower then mine, with dishpointer specs the dish in your location is more elevated then mine, Just a thought, try using the boy scout compass mark the dish, give it a 1/8 margin of play left from mark and right of it, swing the dish sloooooooowwwwwwwwly then if nothing elevate the dish a bit just a bit 1/16 swing again, there should be quality when you hit the amzonas or 61.5 if you don't like the idea of 61.5 then go dirrectly to 61 amz TP 11808

[risk]

yup, did all that. . .nothing.

man i really gotta wait for the guy to come in from NY. . .i would like the snow storm to finish.

[risk]

The elevation looks lower then mine, with dishpointer specs the dish in your location is more elevated then mine, Just a thought, try using the boy scout compass mark the dish, give it a 1/8 margin of play left from mark and right of it, swing the dish sloooooooowwwwwwwwly then if nothing elevate the dish a bit just a bit 1/16 swing again, there should be quality when you hit the amzonas or 61.5 if you don't like the idea of 61.5 then go dirrectly to 61 amz TP 11808


will try this as soon as i have a bit of help. . .where the TV is and where the dish is i cant see both at the same time.

i have been tryin somethign like this, but its not as effective, i was movin it in very small increments and 'runnin' back inside lol lol

the crazy things we do for TV

[TurboPirate]

Still some members don't know that using a linear LNB for 61.5 just for referense not getting channels, That is how I got amz, I used the 61.5 made the marks to the dish, chenge receiver to amz 61 TP 11808 and without moving the dish I got 20% quality on 61 amz TP 11808, tweak the dish for better quality after change to tp 12132 the weakest and skew the LNB til quality showed.
If with the boy scout tool you know where the 201 I think it was then you arre not far to get this bird just play with elevation and swing the dish.

[TurboPirate]

will try this as soon as i have a bit of help. . .where the TV is and where the dish is i cant see both at the same time.

i have been tryin somethign like this, but its not as effective, i was movin it in very small increments and 'runnin' back inside lol lol

the crazy things we do for TV

Oh my friend this is a no no, quality might have showed and you don''t know it, bring a small tv out side with receiver power cord extention, when you do this, you'll see how easy it is to get the bird, and you'll thank me and I'll finally have a drink of Jack Daniels, until I can't have a sip, you need to get the bird, nothing gives me happiness better then knowing some one got the bird after I share what I did to get the same bird.

[risk]

Oh my friend this is a no no, quality might have showed and you don''t know it, bring a small tv out side with receiver power cord extention, when you do this, you'll see how easy it is to get the bird, and you'll thank me and I'll finally have a drink of Jack Daniels, until I can't have a sip, you need to get the bird, nothing gives me happiness better then knowing some one got the bird after I share what I did to get the same bird.

yea i know this is really not the best. . .but i had no one at all. . .lol lol this was why i was usin the other cable which i found out like its faulty. . .will try again with it tomorrow and see.

[risk]

ok i have some GREAT news. . .the guy arrived lastnight (this mornin about 2 AM) and he has my SonicView safe *YEH* i will go collect this later today and then we can really get this show on the road.

i have downloaded this file http://www.satfix.net/showthread.php?t=7485

i assume its the correct one.

i will be keepin this topic up-to-date.

[risk]

If with the boy scout tool you know where the 201 I think it was then you arre not far to get this bird just play with elevation and swing the dish.

ok, i did all of this. . .still no joy :( i may even have went from 201 my starting point to 170-230 or more and elevation started from 74.5 to 60 up to about 80+ then when that didnt work out i did it over again (twice) once with 61.5w and the next with a slight change of the skew.

[TurboPirate]

ok i have some GREAT news. . .the guy arrived lastnight (this mornin about 2 AM) and he has my SonicView safe *YEH* i will go collect this later today and then we can really get this show on the road.

i have downloaded this file http://www.satfix.net/showthread.php?t=7485

i assume its the correct one.

i will be keepin this topic up-to-date.

I think you need a newer file, from 23rd or 24th of December, but anyway for Hunting the bird the file is not needed, you can do the aiming with factory file as long the working TP's are enter manually.
Very important, the TV has to be outside with you and your friend

[TurboPirate]

ok, i did all of this. . .still no joy :( i may even have went from 201 my starting point to 170-230 or more and elevation started from 74.5 to 60 up to about 80+ then when that didnt work out i did it over again (twice) once with 61.5w and the next with a slight change of the skew.

My good friend Risk, this hobby number 1 tool is patience, #2 is joy and all the goodies #3, do this you mention little by little, example, try elevation 60 from left to right like you mention then go 61 or less again left to right, no big improvements in elevation, you might pass where the 61west is.
Do you have a protractor?

[risk]

My good friend Risk, this hobby number 1 tool is patience, #2 is joy and all the goodies #3, do this you mention little by little, example, try elevation 60 from left to right like you mention then go 61 or less again left to right, no big improvements in elevation, you might pass where the 61west is.
Do you have a protractor?


yea i have the patience, not a problem there.

i will make more tries outside again when the sun is a lil futher away lol lol

in the mean time, i got my SV360 elite and hav it hooked up. . .

[TurboPirate]

yea i have the patience, not a problem there.

i will make more tries outside again when the sun is a lil futher away lol lol

in the mean time, i got my SV360 elite and hav it hooked up. . .

OK have it near the dish with the TV so you can see the quality if it picks up even for 3 seconds, that way you can nail this birdy, The protractor, do you have one Risk?

[risk]

OK have it near the dish with the TV so you can see the quality if it picks up even for 3 seconds, that way you can nail this birdy, The protractor, do you have one Risk?

i will say NO i dont have any. . .but i maybe able to get one. . .


i also got the signal finder along with my SV360.

man, i took in some sun already, i cant help it. . .readin and readin, still not as bad as some ppl i see only gettin 18% signal. . .my signal is always in the 80%. . .just NO quailty

[TurboPirate]

i will say NO i dont have any. . .but i maybe able to get one. . .


i also got the signal finder along with my SV360.

man, i took in some sun already, i cant help it. . .readin and readin, still not as bad as some ppl i see only gettin 18% signal. . .my signal is always in the 80%. . .just NO quailty

OK remember you are using SV, make sure the dish settings are correct, it has happened to me, I use a different receiver and after a couple of minutes I then remember to do the settings. lol
LNB Freq 10750
TP 11808
LNB Type Standard
22khz OFF
Diseq off or None
Legacy OFF
Motor Disable
Make sure the SV has all the working tp of amz in memory
This is just a reminder, like I said it happends to me and I install dishes almost daily.

[risk]

well i had my play. . .still couldnt get anything catch. . .however i manage to get my signal to an all time high of 85% and my quailty to 0 lol lol. . .


how much play are we allowed when it comes to home made brackets and tryin to get them align?

i cant help but tell myself maybe this bracket is my problem.

[TurboPirate]

well i had my play. . .still couldnt get anything catch. . .however i manage to get my signal to an all time high of 85% and my quailty to 0 lol lol. . .


how much play are we allowed when it comes to home made brackets and tryin to get them align?

i cant help but tell myself maybe this bracket is my problem.

Use the circular LNB you mention you had for DTV and place it next to the digiwave see where does it aims, if the both look aiming to the same center then OK, for your location where the amz is so powerful I am sure you must be doing something wrong, either using wrong tp wrong settings etc. if you still with TV inside well that is another problem signal it doesn't matter how high it goes, I never look at the signal, only quality, and by this time that bird should be locked and watching channels with a beer on your hand, review everything because you are missing something, the sat finder doesn't beep or anything, or not aimed to 201º.

[FIRE FACE]

Hi risk,
My friend if you are using a Sonicview 360 to find the signal of Amazonas you have a big trouble... I do not recommend using this receiver to find the sign of Amazonas 61.0W.
It's very very hard to find the signal using that receiver...It's not imposible but, is very hard.

I recommend you use a low noise LNB (0.2dB) to find the signal is much better this type of LNB.

Good Luck!

[TurboPirate]

Hi risk,
My friend if you are using a Sonicview 360 to find the signal of Amazonas you have a big trouble... I do not recommend using this receiver to find the sign of Amazonas 61.0W.
It's very very hard to find the signal using that receiver...It's not imposible but, is very hard.

I recommend you use a low noise LNB (0.2dB) to find the signal is much better this type of LNB.

Good Luck!

In His case SV is better then VS. those 2 are the only receivers he has available.

[risk]

Use the circular LNB you mention you had for DTV and place it next to the digiwave see where does it aims, if the both look aiming to the same center then OK, for your location where the amz is so powerful I am sure you must be doing something wrong, either using wrong tp wrong settings etc. if you still with TV inside well that is another problem signal it doesn't matter how high it goes, I never look at the signal, only quality, and by this time that bird should be locked and watching channels with a beer on your hand, review everything because you are missing something, the sat finder doesn't beep or anything, or not aimed to 201º.


yea im sayin im doin something wrong. . .the question is what, each time i turn on the receivers i recheck the setting EVERYTIME, i have a TV set up close to the dish now. . .and have been tryin and tryin. . not givin up. . .the problem is lookin me in my face, i just cant se it "YET" lol

[risk]

Hi risk,
My friend if you are using a Sonicview 360 to find the signal of Amazonas you have a big trouble... I do not recommend using this receiver to find the sign of Amazonas 61.0W.
It's very very hard to find the signal using that receiver...It's not imposible but, is very hard.

I recommend you use a low noise LNB (0.2dB) to find the signal is much better this type of LNB.

Good Luck!

hi Jenual,

this lnb was all the store had at the time. . .plus its what mostly everyone uses here. . .i dont hav much choices now when it comes to receivers tbh.

i think im findin the hard part of it lol

why is it harder?

[risk]

ok. well i did some more adjustments to the lnb holder. . .i would really still love an already made one so i can rule that out. . .i took the arm off the dish set it on the ground with the original lnb installed and marked it out, then i reattached the new lnb with holder on and made the changes. . .

so far i had not been able to try anything much because im already late for lunch lol lol

but i hav everything set back up

ele: 74.5
azimuth: 201
skew: a guesstimate of 6 degrees turnin clock wise if standin behind the dish.
ALL my stuff has been set up in the receiver. . .

no joy yet, but today feels like a good day so maybe we will drink at the end of day.

[risk]

No drink for you because NO channels for me. . .the sun had left me and i hav been at for a few hrs. . .i had to use the VS because the SV does not hav the cable TV out and the TV which im usin the video RCA jack input is not workin (how ironic). . .but i went by my buddy who was pickin up 61.5 and got his LNBs. . .still nothing, made more adjustment on the holder. . .nothing. . .used the settings you posted. . .nothing.

i cant help but say its way easier than the trouble im gettin right about now. . .

[TurboPirate]

Risk does the sat finder ever whistle? Does make any noise at all? Lets forget the quality of any receiver nor the signal, lets use the SV 360 and the blind scan feature, move the dish, when it whistle tight the dish steady in that position and press the blind scan, it will take minutes, very slow scanning when using blind scan, then when it finishes write all the TP's found post them here, mark the dish where you did the blind scan, when I see the tp's found with Blind scan I'll tell you where it is aiming and from there I'll tell you where to move, I have used this feature when a sat is hard to find and it has lead me to find what I want.
This Photo is an example, I was looking for 93.1west never found it the first try so where the sat finder made noise I tight all the bolts and gave the receiver a Blind Scan, you see I marked 89W and 97w, so in between those marks I found 93.1 faster.

[TurboPirate]

Also mark the elevation where what ever sat was found.

[risk]

Risk does the sat finder ever whistle? Does make any noise at all? Lets forget the quality of any receiver nor the signal, lets use the SV 360 and the blind scan feature, move the dish, when it whistle tight the dish steady in that position and press the blind scan, it will take minutes, very slow scanning when using blind scan, then when it finishes write all the TP's found post them here, mark the dish where you did the blind scan, when I see the tp's found with Blind scan I'll tell you where it is aiming and from there I'll tell you where to move, I have used this feature when a sat is hard to find and it has lead me to find what I want.
This Photo is an example, I was looking for 93.1west never found it the first try so where the sat finder made noise I tight all the bolts and gave the receiver a Blind Scan, you see I marked 89W and 97w, so in between those marks I found 93.1 faster.

yup, the sat finder whistles. . .but since you told me that all its does is chks for a good signal between the receiver and lnb i didnt use it today. . .well because signal has always been good from day 1, its quiality we are tryin to get now.

i will do what you posted tomorrow morning early and let you know the out come. . .

i have just input ALL the TP you made in a post before in the SV. . .i will do this for the VS tomorrow.

[TurboPirate]

yup, the sat finder whistles. . .but since you told me that all its does is chks for a good signal between the receiver and lnb i didnt use it today. . .well because signal has always been good from day 1, its quiality we are tryin to get now.

i will do what you posted tomorrow morning early and let you know the out come. . .

i have just input ALL the TP you made in a post before in the SV. . .i will do this for the VS tomorrow.

Thats OK, don't waste the time with Viewsat, Viewsat doesn't have Blind Scan, use the SonicView360 it has a blind Scan and it has work for me quite well, 100 times better then CW, Viewsat for what I know coders removed the Blind scan feature when file is loaded, besides even using VS with Factory file the blind scan feature is not the best out there, SV has a pretty good Blind scan feature.

[TurboPirate]

Hint, forget signal it doesn't matter the fluctuation it makes, it leads you to nothing, just keep your eyes on Quality, anyway using the sat finder you don't need to see the signal nor quality, just focus on leaving the bolts tight where the sat finder whistle and perform the Blind scan, then I'll tell you when to look at the quality.

[risk]

here is this morning's test

im usin the SV with ALL the TP codes you hav listed on the last post in page 4 of this study lol

i reset the dish to
74.5 degrees ele
azimuth to 201
attached my sat finder and i got noise when the knob was set to 5-6 and the needle was at 5-6db see pic

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/05typeR/P261209_1010.jpg

[TurboPirate]

So that blind gave you no channels nor TP info? OK move the dish either way when sat finder whistles again, try another blind scan.
I see the SV 360 is a elite model, you are connected to the right tuner right? Because Elite is dual tuner, in the settings I see tuner #1 make sure the cable from sat finder to the SV is connected to tuner #1.
Another thing I saw on the TV screen photo, tp 11808 H 26667 fec is 2/3 not 3/4

[risk]

So that blind gave you no channels nor TP info? OK move the dish either way when sat finder whistles again, try another blind scan.
I see the SV 360 is a elite model, you are connected to the right tuner right? Because Elite is dual tuner, in the settings I see tuner #1 make sure the cable from sat finder to the SV is connected to tuner #1.
Another thing I saw on the TV screen photo, tp 11808 H 26667 fec is 2/3 not 3/4

No TPs found.

i hope what this will help us some what. . .when movin the dish left,right,left with the sat finder hooked up its makes noise my entire travel, and i travel about from 201 and i go both ways about an inch on the pole and thats a heap of distance.

yes it on the correct tuner. . ."IF A IN" also changed it to tuner 2 and i get nothing so its correct.

yes on the screen you see tp 1180 26667 fec 3/4 but i when its doin blind scan it also chks the 2/3 settin i have in there.

[TurboPirate]

No TPs found.

i hope what this will help us some what. . .when movin the dish left,right,left with the sat finder hooked up its makes noise my entire travel, and i travel about from 201 and i go both ways about an inch on the pole and thats a heap of distance.

yes it on the correct tuner. . ."IF A IN" also changed it to tuner 2 and i get nothing so its correct.

yes on the screen you see tp 1180 26667 fec 3/4 but i when its doin blind scan it also chks the 2/3 settin i have in there.

OK with knob turn it left, lowering the level, so when you move again it whistles, there is a sat. if it keeps whistling after lowering the know then you need to adjust the satfinder, behind the sat finder is another tiny know wish is for lower frequencies, also turn to left to lower, if you don't see the know is under a label.

[TurboPirate]

This Knob I am talking about, the sat finder is set for lower frequencies like circular LNBs like DN, for linear LNB it needs to lower the power of the sat finder so it senses sats and not stay whistle like you said,. This happend to me when I started using linear LNBs.

[risk]

OK with knob turn it left, lowering the level, so when you move again it whistles, there is a sat. if it keeps whistling after lowering the know then you need to adjust the satfinder, behind the sat finder is another tiny know wish is for lower frequencies, also turn to left to lower, if you don't see the know is under a label.


ok, i did this. . .the funny thing is it started goin back up again when i get around the 240 mark on my compass and then i left it there and played with the elevation, i when down first the noise got less so i took it up and i got higher, so right now its at 76.5 degrees elevation. . .i did another blind scan and nothing comes up. . .

[risk]

This Knob I am talking about, the sat finder is set for lower frequencies like circular LNBs like DN, for linear LNB it needs to lower the power of the sat finder so it senses sats and not stay whistle like you said,. This happend to me when I started using linear LNBs.

i chked my sat finder, but it does not carry anyhting of the sort.


hxxp://www.dmsiusa.com/sf95bpics.html

[TurboPirate]

i chked my sat finder, but it does not carry anyhting of the sort.


hxxp://www.dmsiusa.com/sf95bpics.html

OK, if you turn the knob all the way to the left (not clockwise) does it stop whistling?

[TurboPirate]

Just a reminder, when using compass make sure no metal is around, it will give wrong readings, when I first used a compass I didn't know and I was always getting 164º to different locations, then some one told me and I used a piece of wood and left it along, then I got the real 164 reading.
Move to a different azimuth and elevation since from there you didn't get any tp with the blind scan, when the first blind scan gives you a tp we will be closer to find out where amz is.
One more thing I have notice the signal not quality, signal starts dropping when you are aiming to a sat, it doesn't matter what sat it just starts dropping, if you see signal dropping and sat finder making noise that is another good spot to blind scan.
Make sure the blind scan it set to detail, not fast, I know it takes longer but it will show the TPs' found.

[risk]

OK, if you turn the knob all the way to the left (not clockwise) does it stop whistling?

yes it would stop. . .this is what i did.

[risk]

Just a reminder, when using compass make sure no metal is around, it will give wrong readings, when I first used a compass I didn't know and I was always getting 164º to different locations, then some one told me and I used a piece of wood and left it along, then I got the real 164 reading.
Move to a different azimuth and elevation since from there you didn't get any tp with the blind scan, when the first blind scan gives you a tp we will be closer to find out where amz is.
One more thing I have notice the signal not quality, signal starts dropping when you are aiming to a sat, it doesn't matter what sat it just starts dropping, if you see signal dropping and sat finder making noise that is another good spot to blind scan.
Make sure the blind scan it set to detail, not fast, I know it takes longer but it will show the TPs' found.

yea i know about the metal with the compass lol lol

i did try the different azimuth and elevation, but i didnt do a blind scan. this is will try later.

[TurboPirate]

yea i know about the metal with the compass lol lol

i did try the different azimuth and elevation, but i didnt do a blind scan. this is will try later.

Lol, I was never a boy scout, I learn the compass the hard way lol, when I was 35 and hey I am still 35 just a few months older than the day I learned to use the compass.
OK Risk, make the sat finder quite, move when it starts to whistle forget if it is amz or not just make the adjustment and Blind Scan, once we get a TP number we will finally know where is aiming. And the faster I'll lead you to amz.

[risk]

well now is later and i cant keep out of the sun anymore, im doin what it takes :D

would you believe that the damn signal wont move at all from in the 75-85% range. . .and i really moved the dish, both the elv and the azimuth. . .signal remind the same.


something is wrong. . .really wrong.

im makin this look harder than what it is.

[TurboPirate]

yea i know about the metal with the compass lol lol

i did try the different azimuth and elevation, but i didnt do a blind scan. this is will try later.

Lol, I was never a boy scout, I learn the compass the hard way lol, when I was 35 and hey I am still 35 just a few months older than the day I learned to use the compass.
OK Risk, make the sat finder quite, move when it starts to whistle forget if it is amz or not just make the adjustment and Blind Scan, once we get a TP number we will finally know where is aiming. And the faster I'll lead you to amz.

[TurboPirate]

well now is later and i cant keep out of the sun anymore, im doin what it takes :D

would you believe that the damn signal wont move at all from in the 75-85% range. . .and i really moved the dish, both the elv and the azimuth. . .signal remind the same.


something is wrong. . .really wrong.

im makin this look harder than what it is.

Nope, nothing is wrong, you are focusing on the signal what I don't use unless I am doing a Blind Scan, and even so I only use the sat finder noise to do the work.

[risk]

Nope, nothing is wrong, you are focusing on the signal what I don't use unless I am doing a Blind Scan, and even so I only use the sat finder noise to do the work.

yea it seems like im focusin on the signal but you said. .




One more thing I have notice the signal not quality, signal starts dropping when you are aiming to a sat, it doesn't matter what sat it just starts dropping, if you see signal dropping and sat finder making noise that is another good spot to blind scan.
Make sure the blind scan it set to detail, not fast, I know it takes longer but it will show the TPs' found.

so this is why i said what i saw.

[TurboPirate]

yea it seems like im focusin on the signal but you said. .





so this is why i said what i saw.

Good, but don't depend on the signal, it will never go up to a 100%, just move slowly the dish if sat finder whistles and you notice the signal fluctuates with the whistle then do a blind scan, but don't bother with the signal to much only in that moment.

[risk]

Good, but don't depend on the signal, it will never go up to a 100%, just move slowly the dish if sat finder whistles and you notice the signal fluctuates with the whistle then do a blind scan, but don't bother with the signal to much only in that moment.

well in that case when the sat finder whistle the signal does nothing.


think we'll have it nailed by page 12? lol lol

[TurboPirate]

well in that case when the sat finder whistle the signal does nothing.


think we'll have it nailed by page 12? lol lol

OK, signal doesn't do anything, cool, blind scan where the sat finder does whistle.

[risk]

OK, signal doesn't do anything, cool, blind scan where the sat finder does whistle.


did this. . .hav been blind scannin the entire day in hopes of something else poppin up my screen which i hav not yet seen. . .

[TurboPirate]

did this. . .hav been blind scannin the entire day in hopes of something else poppin up my screen which i hav not yet seen. . .

Risk it can't be, there should show something in blind scan, there are sats there that gives you TP numbers when you blind scan, did you remove the sat finder before blind scan?

[TurboPirate]

OK this is getting no where, get a person that has done amz instalation and get him to do the hunting, this far after blind scanning all day I would of have my sv full of TP's and channels from all the sats it did blind scan.

[TurboPirate]

Very close to amz is the 58w that in a blind scan would of give you 35 tps 1 channel wide open all others encrypted, even closer 61.5 that has like 15 channels, none of them you can see because are on N3 encryption but it would show you all the TPs.
Skew the LNB with cables all the way UP, standing in front of dish that looks like 11 on a clock and try again, or look for 61.5, after this try if you don't find anything then get a professional installer.
The mere fact that none of the blind scan gave you any info it is telling me some big is wrong, or the dish is installed where the amz signal doesn't get there nor any sat signal gets there. Installed with a wall or big tree in the way. The installer will get the amz in matter of 10 minutes and then you'll know what was wrong.

[risk]

Risk it can't be, there should show something in blind scan, there are sats there that gives you TP numbers when you blind scan, did you remove the sat finder before blind scan?


no i didnt. . .but i been back out and then i tried it with the sat find out. . .no joy.

[risk]

Very close to amz is the 58w that in a blind scan would of give you 35 tps 1 channel wide open all others encrypted, even closer 61.5 that has like 15 channels, none of them you can see because are on N3 encryption but it would show you all the TPs.
Skew the LNB with cables all the way UP, standing in front of dish that looks like 11 on a clock and try again, or look for 61.5, after this try if you don't find anything then get a professional installer.
The mere fact that none of the blind scan gave you any info it is telling me some big is wrong, or the dish is installed where the amz signal doesn't get there nor any sat signal gets there. Installed with a wall or big tree in the way. The installer will get the amz in matter of 10 minutes and then you'll know what was wrong.

well no big wall, tree or anyhting of the sort. . .i will see if i get someone soon so we will know what in the world is wrong with me or the epuiptment im usin. . .but first i will go by my buddy and try there for a few mins. . .

[risk]

OK!?!?!?

i made a call to a guy who installs and has experience with the DTV 4ft dishes. . .


this is how it went. . .

me: hi i need my sat setup
guy: what do you need exactly
me: im tryin to pick up the amazonas feed
guy: what dish and receiver do you hav?
me: DTV 4ft and a SV and VS
guy: ok, where are you.
me: *gave my location* then i asked him 'what else do i need'?
guy: do you hav the liner lnb?
me: yes i do. anything else? do i need a holder to skew the lnb?
guy: does the lnb fit onto the bottom of the dish?
me: yes it does.
guy: well you dont need the holder.
me: :confused: ok. so NO holder needed to skew the lnb?
guy: nope


so now im like really confused as to how he gets it done. . .he wants to come 2morra. . .but after hearing this *makes no sence* but im willin to give it a go a few more days.

[TurboPirate]

OK!?!?!?

i made a call to a guy who installs and has experience with the DTV 4ft dishes. . .


this is how it went. . .

me: hi i need my sat setup
guy: what do you need exactly
me: im tryin to pick up the amazonas feed
guy: what dish and receiver do you hav?
me: DTV 4ft and a SV and VS
guy: ok, where are you.
me: *gave my location* then i asked him 'what else do i need'?
guy: do you hav the liner lnb?
me: yes i do. anything else? do i need a holder to skew the lnb?
guy: does the lnb fit onto the bottom of the dish?
me: yes it does.
guy: well you dont need the holder.
me: :confused: ok. so NO holder needed to skew the lnb?
guy: nope


so now im like really confused as to how he gets it done. . .he wants to come 2morra. . .but after hearing this *makes no sence* but im willin to give it a go a few more days.

If he knows how to install amz in Barbados and it doesn't need skew (wish I don't know why) then let him do it. With skew or not the receiver should of give you something in blind scan.
Good luck and let him do the job.

[risk]

hey, i just got hit with an idea. . .this is only to confirm that the boxes are still working

my g/f has DTV (paid service), i was thinkin i can bring both the boxes (SV and VS) and see if i get her signal seein her sat dish is all lined up.

good idea?

[TurboPirate]

hey, i just got hit with an idea. . .this is only to confirm that the boxes are still working

my g/f has DTV (paid service), i was thinkin i can bring both the boxes (SV and VS) and see if i get her signal seein her sat dish is all lined up.

good idea?

I don't think so, DTV is 101west way far from 61w, plus DTV signal doesn't work with FTA receivers.

[risk]

why does the receivers dont pick up this signal? <br />
<br />
i see they hav it in my list of sats in the pre-programmed listing. <br />
<br />
<br />
im just hopin this guy gets it programmed. . .and if he dont i hope he...

[TurboPirate]

OK some of the DTV sats have true FTA channels but only few not all the sats, also receivers have dtv on their list but its all info (data) wish no longer work, 95 west is DTV Latin but it has 3...

[TurboPirate]

Any way the spirit of this hobby is testing, connect your sv where the dtv is in you gf house and have it blind scan, and post what happens after it finishes Blind Scan.

[risk]

well i tried. . .and you are right, i came up with nothing.

i hopin the guy comes today. . .the funny thing about it is, this other guy that i called turns out to be my gf cousin and he has been installin sat dishes for a while. . .

i remember you sayin in a post back that my elevation looks less than yours. . .i hav been drivin around and when i spot someones dish pointin in the same direction its really pointin skyhigh. . .its way way more than mine, if had to make a guess i would say they elevation is around the 100 degrees. . .some of them looks as if they took it up more it would keep rain water in when it falls.

unfortunatly i cant take my dish up that high if not i would hav tried also, i hav my dish bolted to the house and it hits the house first. . .if needed for me to get signal i will put it on a pole.

[risk]

OK!!!! today was the day it all happened!!!

Compare the two elevations. . .the first pic is where it all happens

[risk]

Oh my friend this is a no no, quality might have showed and you don''t know it, bring a small tv out side with receiver power cord extention, when you do this, you'll see how easy it is to get the bird, and you'll thank me and I'll finally have a drink of Jack Daniels, until I can't have a sip, you need to get the bird, nothing gives me happiness better then knowing some one got the bird after I share what I did to get the same bird.


im thanking you guy. . .BIG TIME!!! you never gave up!! and for you for AAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL your help i went out and got you this. . . . . . . . . . . . .-------------->

i hope its the right one.


http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/05typeR/JackDaniels.jpg



OOOOOOOOOOOO and "WE" did it before page 10 lol

[risk]

one small problem now. . .i can only see two channels. . .i dont knnow if its because i didnt fine tune the lnb because i had no time, but when i do the scans it find like 251 tv and 64 radio channels. . .i save them but can only see two of them. . .

the 0031 TMP and 0003 information

[TurboPirate]

one small problem now. . .i can only see two channels. . .i dont knnow if its because i didnt fine tune the lnb because i had no time, but when i do the scans it find like 251 tv and 64 radio channels. . .i save them but can only see two of them. . .

the 0031 TMP and 0003 information

Auto roll has to be ON and make sure you are using the latest file for VS and SV but since this receivers never were working with amz you need auto Roll on so the keys get updated.

[TurboPirate]

im thanking you guy. . .BIG TIME!!! you never gave up!! and for you for AAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL your help i went out and got you this. . . . . . . . . . . . .-------------->

i hope its the right one.


http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/05typeR/JackDaniels.jpg



OOOOOOOOOOOO and "WE" did it before page 10 lol

That is the one, the one and only Jack Daniels.

[risk]

Auto roll has to be ON and make sure you are using the latest file for VS and SV but since this receivers never were working with amz you need auto Roll on so the keys get updated.

i downloaded the latest file from on here. . .the auto roll function was already on. . .still only has two channels.

ALL the TPs you gave me are still saved in there also.


UPDATE: the SV is not showing no more than 2 channels, so i hooked up the VS once again and low and behold that started auto rollin after i saved the sat settings. . .just cant get the SV to do the same as yet.

[TurboPirate]

i downloaded the latest file from on here. . .the auto roll function was already on. . .still only has two channels.

ALL the TPs you gave me are still saved in there also.


UPDATE: the SV is not showing no more than 2 channels, so i hooked up the VS once again and low and behold that started auto rollin after i saved the sat settings. . .just cant get the SV to do the same as yet.

HUm!!! ok this has always helped me with any receiver, have the SV up, select any channel that doesn't show, that has the message scramble channel or wait for update. when you see the message turn OFF from rear switch count 30 seconds turn ON and let the keys roll, I don't know why but with amz all receiver take longer for keys to roll, this hard boot will activate the rolling process.

[TurboPirate]

What SV360 do you have, Elite o Premier?

[TurboPirate]

OK Risk, this is important to Know, did that SV was working with DN I-Hub files? If answer is yes, than you need to do this:
Load receiver with system clean file, when it finishes yes to reboot question, when is UP perform a Hard boot (rear switch OFF 30 sec then ON)
Load Factory file, the latest factory file, same thing Hard boot.
Then last, load the amz timo telefonica file latest, make sure all TPs are in memory after loding amz file sat scan after scan make sure auto roll is ON and hard boot, it will roll keys.

[risk]

OK Risk, this is important to Know, did that SV was working with DN I-Hub files? If answer is yes, than you need to do this:
Load receiver with system clean file, when it finishes yes to reboot question, when is UP perform a Hard boot (rear switch OFF 30 sec then ON)
Load Factory file, the latest factory file, same thing Hard boot.
Then last, load the amz timo telefonica file latest, make sure all TPs are in memory after loding amz file sat scan after scan make sure auto roll is ON and hard boot, it will roll keys.

my guess would be that is was not workin with anything since got it brand new. . .but you can correct me if im wrong.

[risk]

What SV360 do you have, Elite o Premier?


its the Elite.

[TurboPirate]

its the Elite.

OK, so to be sure use the system clean file, then the latest factory file and last amz 262 I think is the last amz file, I'll give you links.

[TurboPirate]

This one first
http://satfix.net/showthread.php?t=697
This one second
http://satfix.net/showthread.php?t=4680
This one last
http://satfix.net/showthread.php?p=34187#post34187

[risk]

This one first
http://satfix.net/showthread.php?t=697
This one second
http://satfix.net/showthread.php?t=4680
This one last
http://satfix.net/showthread.php?p=34187#post34187

thanks for that, i will do it before the night is out.

question: when the last file has been loaded is there a need for me to input the TPs manually or does this do all that?

[TurboPirate]

thanks for that, i will do it before the night is out.

question: when the last file has been loaded is there a need for me to input the TPs manually or does this do all that?

Some files have the TP info some doesn't but after that if you see the TP's are not in memory, just do a Blind scan, the blind scan will download all the working TPs' to 61w sat, after that and you see SV roll keys check the TPs in memory and compare to list I gave you, if 1 or 2 are missing enter them manually.
Another thing leave the SV in a channel you know is not free that way the SV will roll the keys. don't use the remote epg or anything wile you are using the control remote the rolling is paused leave it alone, amz keys can take up to 15 minutes to roll.

[risk]

yup, i did all that and now my box is working.

once again thanks.

[TurboPirate]

yup, i did all that and now my box is working.

once again thanks.

Just to make sure, what you said here is the SV360Elite rolled keys and you are watching amz channels? Good I am glad you finally made it, now pray the car doesn't get a flat tire, you'll need the Jack and the dish will have no signal LOL.
By the way, Your welcome, that is why I am here, to help

[risk]

Just to make sure, what you said here is the SV360Elite rolled keys and you are watching amz channels? Good I am glad you finally made it, now pray the car doesn't get a flat tire, you'll need the Jack and the dish will have no signal LOL.
By the way, Your welcome, that is why I am here, to help

yes the SV360 Elite is rollin its keys lol lol

yup, im on Amazonas. . .

i took out the jack yesterday. . .im on blocks now. . .lol

i also found a way to make the dish work, im gonna cut a small section out of the 'rim' of the dish NOT on the cerface where the LNB would read from, if you look back at my pic with it on the jack its the inch think section.

the dish has to be at about 90-100 degrees.

[TurboPirate]

yes the SV360 Elite is rollin its keys lol lol

yup, im on Amazonas. . .

i took out the jack yesterday. . .im on blocks now. . .lol

i also found a way to make the dish work, im gonna cut a small section out of the 'rim' of the dish NOT on the cerface where the LNB would read from, if you look back at my pic with it on the jack its the inch think section.

the dish has to be at about 90-100 degrees.

Hold it, I can show you a photo of a spacer, no need to cut the dish and also I thought of another idea as well. Let me know if you interested.
Also the inverted dish....

[risk]

Hold it, I can show you a photo of a spacer, no need to cut the dish and also I thought of another idea as well. Let me know if you interested.
Also the inverted dish....


yup, im interested. . .i dont believe i had to cut much doh. . .was also thinkinn about a spacer and also gettin some kind of holder to bolt onto where the dish should be which has an extention to hold the dish. . .


in this pic the dish holder at bottom has been plumb, so not much need to be removed.


http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/05typeR/P301209_0756.jpg

[risk]

here is the small piece. . .my holder is not the best and had me out this mornin skewin very long. . .until i saw the holder was makin some extra movements lol

the site you sent me i cant seem to navigate on there. . .i need a hold.

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/05typeR/P301209_0843.jpg


http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/05typeR/P301209_0843_01.jpg

[TurboPirate]

This spacer jenuel made it to use the regular 4.5' dish with dtv dish base, that same spacer can be made to have the dish your dish moved a few inches lower so you can add more elevation without the dish touching the house.

[TurboPirate]

The other option is have the base that is on the wall and install it on the floor where the dish is at now but the dish is mount up side down, that way you have all the elevation you need.

[risk]

This spacer jenuel made it to use the regular 4.5' dish with dtv dish base, that same spacer can be made to have the dish your dish moved a few inches lower so you can add more elevation without the dish touching the house.


i dont think this one would hav done my job. . .it seems to only move the dish up and down. . .i needed the dish futher away from the wall (house).

but im good now with the small piece i cut out lol

i did my calculations and i just needed to do what i did.


thanks for the other ideas, i maybe able save someone in the futher.



here is a few more of the dish mounted

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/05typeR/P301209_1453.jpg
http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/05typeR/P301209_1453_01.jpg

they said 74.5 degrees elevation for my area, look where my dish is now.

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/05typeR/P301209_1459.jpg

[risk]

as i said before i cant seem to navigate around the site you linked me to in P.R who has the LNB brackets. . .i need one ASAP.

not only do i have to skew my LNB but i so hav to set the elevation lol lol lol my bracket aint the best. . .i can get it work for now, but if i do need to move the dish or it gets hit by a bird i dont wanna go through all that trouble.


i really NEED a holder. . .i cant get nothing better than 25% in quality, my elevation and azimuth is set close to perfect its just the holder has to much play (directions i can turn it in) i can see a jump to like 40% maybe even 45% sometimes but i can hold it there because at that time im bendin/twisting the holder.

[TurboPirate]

http://www.cokione.com/sale.html


You mean this one? try again if not I'll PM you tel# and fax#

[risk]

http://www.cokione.com/sale.html


You mean this one? try again if not I'll PM you tel# and fax#


yea i see the number 787.***.2654

but i would like to see the item which i need or a part number so if i call i know what to ask for. . .

[TurboPirate]

yea i see the number 787.***.2654

but i would like to see the item which i need or a part number so if i call i know what to ask for. . .

If it is not on a photo is OK, call them and let him know you want the LNB bracket solid plastic, not half metal half plastic, let him know the LNB arm of your dish is rectangular and is a Channel Master 3.5 DTV fiberglass, he knows what you want.

[risk]

If it is not on a photo is OK, call them and let him know you want the LNB bracket solid plastic, not half metal half plastic, let him know the LNB arm of your dish is rectangular and is a Channel Master 3.5 DTV fiberglass, he knows what you want.

my dish is a 4ft, this may not make any difference or it may.

i will call tomorrow ASAP

SOLID plastic LNB bracket
for fiberglass DTV 4ft dish with rectangle end


do you have an idea on price?

[TurboPirate]

my dish is a 4ft, this may not make any difference or it may.

i will call tomorrow ASAP

SOLID plastic LNB bracket
for fiberglass DTV 4ft dish with rectangle end


do you have an idea on price?

Exactly, that same dish was used by DTV when first came in PR, when you tell him dish DTV 3.5 he knows what dish you have, I know is 4' but here it is known as 3.5' but the rectangular arm is what leads him, just like you mention here above is perfect. top price no more then, 20$

[risk]

Exactly, that same dish was used by DTV when first came in PR, when you tell him dish DTV 3.5 he knows what dish you have, I know is 4' but here it is known as 3.5' but the rectangular arm is what leads him, just like you mention here above is perfect. top price no more then, 20$


ok well i called them this morning. . .i also had to upgrade my quick time for the site to work as it should and when i did i saw the holder which need has been sold out :( so the guy i spoke to said to email them with my request and they will let me know when they will be back in store.

i do hope soon. . .at 25% i cant really watch anything and im not puttin it back on the ground lol

[TurboPirate]

ok well i called them this morning. . .i also had to upgrade my quick time for the site to work as it should and when i did i saw the holder which need has been sold out :( so the guy i spoke to said to email them with my request and they will let me know when they will be back in store.

i do hope soon. . .at 25% i cant really watch anything and im not puttin it back on the ground lol

OK let me see how can I help in this matter now.

[risk]

OK let me see how can I help in this matter now.

thanks guy. . .

my horizon has been broaden so much just from this small post and the other reading i hav been doin not to forget me installin my own dish (first time) and gettin it to work. . .

now my question is: can i also pick up on 61.5w with the dish in the same position even if i hav to add another lnb in the mix? are they any good channels on there?

[TurboPirate]

thanks guy. . .

my horizon has been broaden so much just from this small post and the other reading i hav been doin not to forget me installin my own dish (first time) and gettin it to work. . .

now my question is: can i also pick up on 61.5w with the dish in the same position even if i hav to add another lnb in the mix? are they any good channels on there?

Its all in N3 encryption, only a few IKS receiver can open those channels and most of them are foreign channels, but maybe 63w I am studying that sat, I'll let you know if good channels there. Happy New Year 2010 if I don't see you.

[TurboPirate]

En cokie one they have a 3 lnb holder, you can aim to what ever with trillions of angles.

[risk]

Its all in N3 encryption, only a few IKS receiver can open those channels and most of them are foreign channels, but maybe 63w I am studying that sat, I'll let you know if good channels there. Happy New Year 2010 if I don't see you.

HAPPY N EW YEAR TO YOU ALSO GUY AND ALL THE OTHER ON THE FORUM READINGS POST!!!


ok kool. . .i played a bit more this evening, manage to get it back up in the 36% quality area. . .but not the boxes will show a channel then its sayin auto rolling. . .for like 20+mins

maybe the TPs changed or something?

any luck with an lnb holder? :D

[TurboPirate]

HAPPY N EW YEAR TO YOU ALSO GUY AND ALL THE OTHER ON THE FORUM READINGS POST!!!


ok kool. . .i played a bit more this evening, manage to get it back up in the 36% quality area. . .but not the boxes will show a channel then its sayin auto rolling. . .for like 20+mins

maybe the TPs changed or something?

any luck with an lnb holder? :D

At 7PM all the receivers went down on 61w, you need new file wish I believe is already posted, check SV360E Telefonica files.

[risk]

once again you are right. . .im back up and runnin.

how come the guys done chk to make files so quickly for the VS like how they do with the SV?

[TurboPirate]

once again you are right. . .im back up and runnin.

how come the guys done chk to make files so quickly for the VS like how they do with the SV?

No idea, look at the time 3:51pm 1st of January and there is no CW700 file, when SV has one already, lol, its a luck matter I think, enjoy bud.

[TurboPirate]

Check here, they have the LNB Bracket for 12.99, it says sold out but it will be available soon.

http://www.cokione.com/LNBF.html

[risk]

Check here, they have the LNB Bracket for 12.99, it says sold out but it will be available soon.

http://www.cokione.com/LNBF.html

yea thats the place i called. . .

do you think this is why i cant get above 40% Q?

[risk]

No idea, look at the time 3:51pm 1st of January and there is no CW700 file, when SV has one already, lol, its a luck matter I think, enjoy bud.


ok lol. . .what is it that goes into makin one of these files?
whats the process?

[TurboPirate]

yea thats the place i called. . .

do you think this is why i cant get above 40% Q?

It could be, did you try to force the LNB down? example insted of skewing moving it so the eye looks a little more down. just try wile watching the quality signal, if you see improvement then you know if not the try the same but making the LNB eye look more UP.

[TurboPirate]

ok lol. . .what is it that goes into makin one of these files?
whats the process?

No idea but I know CW coders might be still celebrating the new year or still sleeping after all the drinking they did last night. lol they humans to with family.

[risk]

It could be, did you try to force the LNB down? example insted of skewing moving it so the eye looks a little more down. just try wile watching the quality signal, if you see improvement then you know if not the try the same but making the LNB eye look more UP.


yup did all this. . .actually i had to do this to get the best point. . .but appart from bendin it down/up the hight 'maybe' a bit taller than where the LNb normally go. . .O on the days i did all this they where N O clouds, it was a perfect day for doin this type of work.


I NEED the holder. . .i will call the good folks in PR again.


UPDATE: i called, they said to call back next week. . .o man. . .:(

[TurboPirate]

yup did all this. . .actually i had to do this to get the best point. . .but appart from bendin it down/up the hight 'maybe' a bit taller than where the LNb normally go. . .O on the days i did all this they where N O clouds, it was a perfect day for doin this type of work.


I NEED the holder. . .i will call the good folks in PR again.


UPDATE: i called, they said to call back next week. . .o man. . .:(

Patience is a virtue.

[risk]

man, i have been a bit busy lately guys. . .you know watchin TV and stuff lol lol. . .anyway. . .my quality is up to the low 40s now on the weakest TP its about 20 high (with both the SV and VS). . .we had some rain and i got no problems. . .

i spoke with a guy who installed sat dish at one point in time and he said with the 4ft dishes you never and he have never seen a person really get over 50%. . .and yes the LNB needs to be skewed.

i went to the computer store yesterday to buy a HD for my PC and its the same place where i got the LNB from, i asked the there if you need to skew the LNB when tryin to pick up the 61w signal. . .he said NO, once it fits in the end it works there. . .i didnt bother to tell him i tried that and it never worked for me. . .i will give it another go with my buddy dish.

[papitohead]

Amazonas 61.0W requires at least 13 degrees skew in the Caribbean depending exactly where you are located. Post your location and we can let you know the skew. Good luck :)

[risk]

Amazonas 61.0W requires at least 13 degrees skew in the Caribbean depending exactly where you are located. Post your location and we can let you know the skew. Good luck :)



yea this i know, cause when i just stick the LNB in there i dont get anything, i was just mentioning it to the forum. . .

i would really like to find out how these other guys do it, but i dont want to waste the money either. . .

im in Barbados. . .read from first page. . .

do you know how my quality ppl in the caribbean are gettin usin the 4ft dish?

[TurboPirate]

yea this i know, cause when i just stick the LNB in there i dont get anything, i was just mentioning it to the forum. . .

i would really like to find out how these other guys do it, but i dont want to waste the money either. . .

im in Barbados. . .read from first page. . .

do you know how my quality ppl in the caribbean are gettin usin the 4ft dish?

OK I remember my friends from here when I started with FTA hobby explain to me one thing circular LNB don't need skew the signal is circular but when the signal of a sat is linear you need Skew like I explain to you we on a circular world the LNB needs to be facing the transponder straight face to face. I know you know this already but sharing with you a hint of what I got when I was learning from the BIG guys, well I am no expert always learning something new each day.

[risk]

OK I remember my friends from here when I started with FTA hobby explain to me one thing circular LNB don't need skew the signal is circular but when the signal of a sat is linear you need Skew like I explain to you we on a circular world the LNB needs to be facing the transponder straight face to face. I know you know this already but sharing with you a hint of what I got when I was learning from the BIG guys, well I am no expert always learning something new each day.



do you really mean "circular LNB" or you mean "circular polorization"?

im goin to try stickin the LNB stright in there on more time, i will even put the dish on the ground so i have ALL the movement i need. . .i will post results.

[TurboPirate]

do you really mean "circular LNB" or you mean "circular polorization"?

im goin to try stickin the LNB stright in there on more time, i will even put the dish on the ground so i have ALL the movement i need. . .i will post results.

Both I guess.

[risk]

Both I guess.

with you sayin both has me now a bit lost. . .

i borrowed my buddy dish (3ft) i didnt think it was wise to had this option and move mine. . .

so tomorrow i will play with the LNB while its bolted stright on the dish.
in my head i can only see this workin if i tilt the dish. . .

[TurboPirate]

with you sayin both has me now a bit lost. . .

i borrowed my buddy dish (3ft) i didnt think it was wise to had this option and move mine. . .

so tomorrow i will play with the LNB while its bolted stright on the dish.
in my head i can only see this workin if i tilt the dish. . .

What I do know is that the signal travels in a circular pattern, that is why it doesn't need skew, when the signal is linear is when it needs skew.

[risk]

ok, here are my test results from today's proceedings. . .

my buddy 3.5' dish. . .NO skewin of lnb. . .VS for reciever. . .some may say that with the dish being on the ground that the lnb itself may be leaning to once sideand this will also being skewin. . .but the holder of the dish and lnb where almost perfectly 90 degrees from the ground. . .i will try mines tomorrow. . .more results to come.

you live, you learn

[TurboPirate]

So if my eyes are correct you got 57 on quality?

[risk]

So if my eyes are correct you got 57 on quality?

sorry about the camera phone pics. . .

thats a wopping 67% quality.

[TurboPirate]

sorry about the camera phone pics. . .

thats a wopping 67% quality.

With a 3.5' dish? Fiberglass or metal, also the brand that made the dish has to do, example, in PR amz has to be with a 5.5' dish there are some that have amz with a 4.5' dish but not any 4.5' dish, the one that got signal from amz with a 4.5' dish this dish brand is Azure Shine.

[risk]

With a 3.5' dish? Fiberglass or metal, also the brand that made the dish has to do, example, in PR amz has to be with a 5.5' dish there are some that have amz with a 4.5' dish but not any 4.5' dish, the one that got signal from amz with a 4.5' dish this dish brand is Azure Shine.

the dish is the NEW model dishes which DTV is givin out. . .seems they usin smaller dishes over teh years. . .its also fiberglass. . .

i will will measure it tomorrow and take some pics to show. . .

but i think its its kindda ovel. . .so it maybe 3" x 3.5"

[TurboPirate]

the dish is the NEW model dishes which DTV is givin out. . .seems they usin smaller dishes over teh years. . .its also fiberglass. . .

i will will measure it tomorrow and take some pics to show. . .

but i think its its kindda ovel. . .so it maybe 3" x 3.5"

Check the back of it, "Channel Master" most of the fiberglass dishes are that brand.

[risk]

ok, todays test. . .im really lovin this stuff now :D

by now everyone should know i love my pics. . .it saves me from writin a 1000 words lol

i will keep it on the ground and watch TV for a few days. . .see how it holds up

The Weakest TP @ 50%

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/05typeR/TPweakest.jpg

The strongest TP @ 62%

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/05typeR/TPstrongest-1.jpg

my buddy dish. . .its the same brand you posted up

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/05typeR/P090110_0941.jpg


its pretty much level. . .i chk other points too, i didnt take any pics.

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/05typeR/P090110_1038.jpg
http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/05typeR/P090110_1038_01.jpg

[TurboPirate]

So 1 dish is RCA and the other is DTV? looks the same dish to me but both with different names on.
This is what this Hobby is all about testing............

[risk]

So 1 dish is RCA and the other is DTV? looks the same dish to me but both with different names on.
This is what this Hobby is all about testing............


both are of the "Channel Master" brand, mine which is the 4ft dish is the one DTV here was usin the first time they started installing DTV here. . .then they went to the 3ft dish like my buddy. . .now they are even usin a smaller dish, i dont know anyone personally which i could go measure there but if i do come across someone i will let you know the size.

[TurboPirate]

both are of the "Channel Master" brand, mine which is the 4ft dish is the one DTV here was usin the first time they started installing DTV here. . .then they went to the 3ft dish like my buddy. . .now they are even usin a smaller dish, i dont know anyone personally which i could go measure there but if i do come across someone i will let you know the size.

If it's the same one used here then is a 18" inch. aimed to 95west not 101w

[risk]

If it's the same one used here then is a 18" inch. aimed to 95west not 101w


you're right. . .i played around with the g/f dtv settings and found what bird they on along with with the other info. .

Azimuth 266, Elevationn 46, Sat 95w

[TurboPirate]

you're right. . .i played around with the g/f dtv settings and found what bird they on along with with the other info. .

Azimuth 266, Elevationn 46, Sat 95w

Hint!!!!! all the prepaid receivers I have installed here use the 95west sat but I can't use what the receiver tells me, that receiver after I set it for PR tells me azimuth mag 280º and it is not at 280º is at 251.9º, check with dishpointer using your location, never use the receiver's info.

[WillDekkard]

Holy Cow ! This thread is now over 190 posts. Maybe this thread should be renamed The risk/Turbopirate adventure in Puerto Rico. :tehe: lol

[risk]

Holy Cow ! This thread is now over 190 posts. Maybe this thread should be renamed The risk/Turbopirate adventure in Puerto Rico. :tehe: lol


lol lol with one correction. . . The risk/Turbopirate adventure in the Caribbean cause im NOT in PR.

[risk]

Hint!!!!! all the prepaid receivers I have installed here use the 95west sat but I can't use what the receiver tells me, that receiver after I set it for PR tells me azimuth mag 280º and it is not at 280º is at 251.9º, check with dishpointer using your location, never use the receiver's info.


yea, i figure that much. . .remember the other site was tellin me 74.5 degrees ele. . .but its like 90-100 now. . .

[TurboPirate]

yea, i figure that much. . .remember the other site was tellin me 74.5 degrees ele. . .but its like 90-100 now. . .

Yep always a different numbers, OK risk, if you are going to install the dtv prepaid let me know to start new thread, and this thread keep it with the info only for amz sat from Barbados, OK?

[risk]

Yep always a different numbers, OK risk, if you are going to install the dtv prepaid let me know to start new thread, and this thread keep it with the info only for amz sat from Barbados, OK?


yea. . .i will start new post when i get my new stuff. . .NOT DTV for sure lol

Risk Barbados is going C-Band (with Ku LNBs on there) 10-12ft dish, motorola 4DTV receiver :D


This was a great post i hope it helps other ppl. . .