Switch suggestion's

[daveyhouse]

I am looking for switch suggestions and a road map for hooking them up if possible.

4 dual dss lnb’s These will be the M20R models from Wave Frontier

3 linear lnb’s for FTA from the same Co. These are the Z10L models

I understand that I cannot mix technologies with the switches, so I’m sure I will be required to buy multiple switches and what not.

4 dss lnb’s @ 91, 110, 119, 129
3 linear lnb’s @ 97, 101(ses 1) third location unknown at this point in time

I would like to share these lnb’s with at least 4 receivers if possible. If I need powered switches so be it, not a problem.

Thanks in advance,
Dave

[daveyhouse]

I have found a bunch of pics posted by wufman, sifting through them now. I should be able to find out what I need. (Hopefully)

[daveyhouse]

Okay I think this might resemble the setup I need.
Does anybody what switches these are?
http://www.satfix.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=440&d=1256564885

[daveyhouse]

I want to say thank you to wufman for posting the road map in my previous post

Okay I think I am ready for a little input

2 of these, 1 for 91 and 110, and the 2nd one for 119 and 129
http://worldwidesatellites.com/images/sw44_switch_big.jpg

1 of these to run 2 fta lnb's
http://worldwidesatellites.com/images/e_140_a.jpg

Then 1 of these for each receiver following wufman's road map.
http://worldwidesatellites.com/images/p.164-tw_1.jpg

What do you guys think? Will this work for what I wanting to do?

[brotherstores]

Dave...

if your LNBs are all legacy LNBs (nothing DP or DPP) then your good to go.

Now that switch diagram you have is good, but overkill for what you need.

All you need is 4 4X4 switches, and 4 1X4 diseqc switches.

That will give you the option of 8 LNBs to 4 receivers.

[daveyhouse]

As long as I don't mix technologies on the switch correct?

So 4 of these
http://www.shop4fta.com/images/thumbs/zinwell-4x4-multi-switch.jpg

and 4 of these
http://www.shop4fta.com/images/thumbs/4x1-diseqc-switch.jpg

[brotherstores]

As long as I don't mix technologies on the switch correct?

So 4 of these
http://www.shop4fta.com/images/thumbs/zinwell-4x4-multi-switch.jpg

and 4 of these
http://www.shop4fta.com/images/thumbs/4x1-diseqc-switch.jpg

From what I see on the web (running your LNB model numbers) it appears you have a T90 dish, correct?

Those are all legecy LNBs, and the Zinwell 4X4 switches are also legacy technology. The only thing I would change would be to go with Chieta 4X1 diseqc siwtches.

The 4X4s need to be first after the LNBs, then the output of the 4X4s into the 4X1 diseqcs.

Other than that...I say your good to go!

[daveyhouse]

That is exactly what I am looking into(T-90).
I have not purchased anything yet. Still gaining knowledge.
I want to run multiple stb's off those birds so a motor is out. I want to use 4 different stb's so all of my eggs are not in the same basket. Looking for 2 SD's, 1 PVR, and 1 HD

Thank you for letting me know that they were legacy lnb's. I had no idea from their website, it didn't state if they were legacy or not, I had no clue.

[brotherstores]

That is exactly what I am looking into(T-90).
I have not purchased anything yet. Still gaining knowledge.
I want to run multiple stb's off those birds so a motor is out. I want to use 4 different stb's so all of my eggs are not in the same basket. Looking for 2 SD's, 1 PVR, and 1 HD

Thank you for letting me know that they were legacy lnb's. I had no idea from their website, it didn't state if they were legacy or not, I had no clue.
Basically any FTA LNB is considered "legacy" technology until you get into the DP and DPP technology from DN.

[daveyhouse]

Would I be able to use the Zinwell 6x8 Multiswitch WB68 in place of the 4x4's, so I could add more stb's in future, or are they for dtv only?

[The Wufman]

altho a little pricey but well worth it..check out a emp-centauri 13x8 switch

[daveyhouse]

Wow they are pricey. I found those 6x8's on fleabay for 10 each. That would have saved me some serious coin.
Am I able to have the fta lnb's on the same emp-centauri 13x8 switch as the dss lnb's?
I may consider this, if it worth it.

[daveyhouse]

Would this also eliminate the need for diseqc switches, because they already 8 dedicated receiver ports?

[RimaNTSS]

Hi!
Maybe there are some hidden reasons, but why you do not use Quad LNBs for each satellite and DiseqC 1/10 like this for each of the receivers? With this setup possible to get 10 satellites independently on 4 receivers. like on the attached picture

[Terryl]

OK you are working with legacy LNB’s.

For each LNB to work properly and allow the individual receivers to select all available transponders on that satellite will have to feed the switch with 2 outputs, one for horizontal polarities the other for vertical polarities, so with 8 legacy LNB’s you are going to need a switch with 16 inputs, and with 8 receivers your are going to need 8 outputs.

I would recommend this switch,
http://www.emp-centauri.cz/products.php?id_kateg=5&id_pkateg=14&id=249 it has its own internal power supply to run that many LNB’s thus saving your receivers power supply from any damage.(trying to power 8 LNB's at once)

[RimaNTSS]

Yes, if there is need for 8 independent receivers than multiswitch is an option, but as author of this tread set his requirement for only 4 receivers than it could be done via Quad LNBs and DiseqCs. And then for multiswitch external power is needed, and that is not always possible near antenna. Secondly it should be examined moneywise which way is better.

[Terryl]

This may help.

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[Terryl]

Yes, if there is need for 8 independent receivers than multiswitch is an option, but as author of this tread set his requirement for only 4 receivers than it could be done via Quad LNBs and DiseqCs. And then for multiswitch external power is needed, and that is not always possible near antenna. Secondly it should be examined moneywise which way is better.

He is going to use a T-90 dish, you cant use quad LNB's on that type of dish, it takes a special reverse signal LNB made only for that type of dish. He doesn't want to setup a dish farm.


When setting up a system with many LNB's into many different type of receivers (HD and SD) it is best to keep it as simple as possible, using multiple switches could cause too many possible problems, if one switch goes out or is miss-wired you will have a troubleshooting headache...

[daveyhouse]

I was liking that 13x8, but I would have that maxed out on birds right from the get go. At least the 17x8 gives me room to grow on the arc a little.

Back to my other question's

1: Can I mix fta lnb's on that switch along with the dss lnb's?

2: Does this switch eliminate the need for diseqc switches between the stb's and multiswitch?

LOL Last thing I need is a troubleshooting headache. It's easier to work it out on paper first, then it is to say oops I bought the wrong part.

Thank you,
Dave

[Terryl]

Yes, you can intermix the LNB's, a legacy circular (DSS) will work fine with a legacy linear, they all use 14 volt and 18 volts to switch the polarity's.


The multi input/output switch is a Diseqc switch.

All Diseqc switches use a 22 kHz signal to send the switch commands, most work with Diseqc 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 and 2.0 commands, when you add a 5th satellite you need a switch that will work with Diseqc 1.1 commands, this allows the switch/receiver to access more then 4 LNB inputs.

[Terryl]

Here is a hint:

When wiring this many LNB's to a switch (or switches) use some wire tags, and number the coaxes, this will save a bunch of time when looking for a problem, that with a good road map of the system you can number every connection and with one look you can see where the possible problem many lie.

[daveyhouse]

Great tip! Already had plans on that.
Had to do that with all of my cat5 in my house. Turned into a rat nest real quick w/5 kids. (5 school pc's, 8 personal pc's, HTPC, WHServer, 2 Xbox360's etc.etc. Had to go to business internet because of bandwidth usage, uuggghhhhh!!!

I was thinking colored electrical tape, now that they have so many colors. Using maybe one color per bird then marks on the tape for V or H, or something or other. It will definitely be documented what is what, one way or another

[meemer]

We have one of these switches and it works great. When we plug in the koax for the antenna, what setting do we use to watch regular tv. We have the sats figured out but are unable to watch regular tv through this switch. Any help would be greatly apreciated.

[StanW]

We have one of these switches and it works great. When we plug in the koax for the antenna, what setting do we use to watch regular tv. We have the sats figured out but are unable to watch regular tv through this switch. Any help would be greatly apreciated.
It will require the use of a diplexer - please start your own thread on the subject .