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The Cobra
02-14-2011, 12:02 AM
Cobra...
So Mario is going to take his puck and go home??? I`d take his talk a little more seriously when he gets rid of the chief blind-side queen in all of hockey--Matt Cooke. Till that day---just shut up Mario, clean your own house before pointing fingers. I thought the penalties handed down by the NHL were reasonable. The luckiest player in all that mess was Matt Martin---shades of Todd Bertuzzi came very close.

Canadian Press

The NHL intended to deliver a message to all of its players when it punished the New York Islanders over the weekend. It didn't go nearly far enough for one of the greatest to ever play the game.

Mario Lemieux questioned the direction of the league in a scathing statement released Sunday, openly wondering about his future involvement with the NHL after his Pittsburgh Penguins were involved in a fight-filled game with the Islanders.

"Hockey is a tough, physical game, and it always should be," said Lemieux, the Penguins co-owner. "But what happened Friday night on Long Island wasn't hockey. It was a travesty. It was painful to watch the game I love turn into a sideshow like that.

"The NHL had a chance to send a clear and strong message that those kinds of actions are unacceptable and embarrassing to the sport. It failed."

The reaction from Lemieux came a little over 12 hours after Colin Campbell suspended two Islanders players and fined the organization US$100,000.

The NHL disciplinarian travelled to Buffalo on Saturday night and held face-to-face meetings with forwards Trevor Gillies and Matt Martin to discuss their actions. Within hours, Gillies was suspended nine games and Martin was banned four games.

It wasn't enough to satisfy Lemieux.

"We, as a league, must do a better job of protecting the integrity of the game and the safety of our players," the Hockey Hall of Famer said in his statement. "We must make it clear that those kinds of actions will not be tolerated and will be met with meaningful disciplinary action.

"If the events relating to Friday night reflect the state of the league, I need to re-think whether I want to be a part of it."

Lemieux didn't specify exactly what he would have liked to have seen done.

Pittsburgh's Eric Godard also received an automatic 10-game suspension for leaving the bench to fight during the game. The Penguins weren't hit with any other discipline.

The Islanders entered Friday's game still bitter about their previous meeting with Pittsburgh and seemed intent to take matters into their own hands. Gillies gave Eric Tangradi a concussion -- hitting him in the head before punching him in the face and taunting him -- while Martin grabbed an unsuspecting Max Talbot and dropped him with a couple punches.

In announcing the suspensions, Campbell warned that punishments will continue to be harsh for similar infractions down the road.

"The message should be clear to all players: targeting the head of an opponent by whatever means will be dealt with by suspension," he said.

Organizations will also be held accountable.

"The Islanders also must bear some responsibility for their failure to control their players," added Campbell.

Lemieux bought the Penguins out of bankruptcy in 1999 and ended his playing career for good in January 2006. During his days as one of the NHL's brightest stars, he was never shy to criticize the league -- famously referring to it as a "garage league" in 1992 when he was frustrated with all of the hooking and holding that was being allowed at the time.

Until Sunday, he had been largely quiet as an owner.

The Penguins have been at the centre of the discussion about dangerous hits that has raged in recent weeks. Star centre Sidney Crosby remains sidelined with a concussion -- there is still no timetable for his return -- while Pittsburgh forward Matt Cooke received a four-game suspension on Thursday for charging Fedor Tyutin of the Columbus Blue Jackets from behind.

In fact, the Penguins are quite familiar with physical play. Entering Sunday's games, they were tops in the league with 61 fighting majors.

The game against the Islanders included 346 penalty minutes and 10 ejections. Pittsburgh was hammered 9-3.

It came after a Feb. 2 meeting between the teams that saw the Islanders lose Rick DiPietro for four-to-six weeks because of broken bones in his face as the result of a punch from Penguins goalie Brent Johnson.

New York forward Michael Haley went after Johnson on Friday night, prompting Godard to leave the bench in defence of his goaltender.

There were no complaints from the Islanders organization after Campbell made his ruling. Asked if the punishment was fair, GM Garth Snow said the league disciplinarian has a tough job and he would never criticize him.

"I respect the process," Snow said Sunday before the Islanders played at Buffalo. "It was a professionally run process."

Campbell has been particularly busy this season. NHL players have been banned a total of 88 regular-season games over 27 suspensions -- surpassing last year's total of 78 games in 29 suspensions.

LoadandGo
02-14-2011, 12:18 AM
Takes alot to get Lemieux to speak against the NHL. Bettman may wanna pay close attention. He has lost Gretzky as an ambassador and now one of the most upstanding owners is unhappy. No wonder I enjoy Jr hockey so much.

LoadandGo
02-14-2011, 02:48 AM
Lemieux hypocritical in blasting league?

By CHRIS STEVENSON, QMI Agency




(Jamie Squire/Getty Images/AFP)


Lemieux blasts NHL for 'sideshow' fallout

Huge penalties for Isles, Pens



Mario Lemieux doesn't talk much.

When he does, the NHL should reach for an umbrella.

The former Pittsburgh Penguins superstar-turned-owner dumped all over the league Sunday for what he thought was leniency towards the miscreants in Friday night's gong show between the Pens and the New York Islanders.

It's not the first time Lemieux has sunk his teeth into the hand that feeds him.

In 1992, he called the NHL a "garage league," because he wasn't happy with the hooking and holding and obstruction which was being permitted in that expansion era to level the playing field.


Having a former superstar-turned-owner speaking out the way he did against the NHL brand is big news. It would be even bigger if Lemieux didn't come off as being a bit of a hypocrite.

Lemieux's comments lose a portion of their impact when you consider he signs the paycheque for winger Matt Cooke.

Cooke has been the instigator of much of the discussion about where the NHL went off the rails, starting with his devastating elbow to the head of Boston Bruins centre Marc Savard. That blow could very well have been the beginning of the end of Savard's career.

Okay, the hit was deemed legal at the time, but was so vicious it led to the implementation of Rule 48 against blindside hits directed at the heads of suspecting opponents.

Though current Penguins captain Sidney Crosby -- ironically, who has the rest of his season in doubt after a couple of blows to his own noggin -- didn't like Cooke's hit on Savard, and said so at the time, where was Lemieux's voice back then?

This smacks of the usual attitude in the NHL, which sees people remain mum when it's one of their guys responsible for the mayhem and screaming from the highest mountain when it's anybody else.

Even after they have been put into context, Lemieux's comments are still noteworthy.

If the NHL isn't going to crack down on stuff like we saw Friday night, Lemieux threatened to re-think his involvement in the game. The comments bring more attention to a heightened viciousness on the NHL's rinks these days.

"These are emotional games," said Montreal Canadiens captain Brian Gionta, whose club was on the bad end of a series of brawls against the Boston Bruins Wednesday night. "This time of year, there's a lot of points at stake, big points. Teams are fighting for the last spots and that's why you see the emotion come out."

But there's emotion and then there's ... well, something else.

I love a good goalie fight or two stars dropping the gloves because they are caught up in the emotion of the game.

Maybe that makes me a neanderthal (though I have no use for the staged, drop-of-the-puck fights in which players engage to justify their existence).

But what we've seen lately is the line moved, the unwritten "code" shifting and changing to make it even less understandable. There is a burgeoning malicousness to what we are seeing now, an unabashed and transparent willfullness to inflict as much damage as possible on a opponent.

The 1970s saw some tough, merciless hockey, but almost none of the blatant headhunting we see now on an almost nightly basis.

Lemieux has spoken up again and you can always hope his words will bring some change to NHL rinks, which have rapidly become dangerous places.

Just ask Savard. Or Crosby. Or any of the players who are suspected to have been concussed by cheapshots Friday.

But don't hold your breath.

It only took the NHL 13 years and a lockout to crack down on the obstruction which had Lemieux calling it a garage league in 1992.

dishuser
02-14-2011, 02:49 AM
why start a new thread?

LoadandGo
02-14-2011, 02:52 AM
wasn't sure if it really fit in with other thread. One thread talks about Lemieux bad talkin the league. This post talks about Lemieux being hypocritical. Two different subjects.

Mods pls take away bux and move if you see fit.

StanW
02-14-2011, 03:01 AM
... take away the bux ?!? ... not going down that path again - less headache just to merge the 2 threads :D

abby
02-14-2011, 03:21 AM
i for 1 being a islander fan loved it.it was like old time hockey,and belive it or not it help unite a young team like the islanders.

StanW
02-14-2011, 03:25 AM
i for 1 being a islander fan loved it.it was like old time hockey,and belive it or not it help unite a young team like the islanders.

Heck - for the 100k it cost them it would have been cheaper to get some hookers to boost moral - especially for the young ones .lol

The Cobra
02-14-2011, 02:38 PM
i for 1 being a islander fan loved it.it was like old time hockey,and belive it or not it help unite a young team like the islanders.

I`m neither an Isles fan nor a Pens fan-----but this game was about as far from "old time hockey" as you can get. I`m a huge fan of old time hockey, the likes played between the Bruins vs Canadiens etc etc of days gone by. Old time hockey had more than it`s share of fights---but 99% of those fights were mano-mano, face to face "drop your gloves and let`s see what you`ve got". Martin`s actions the other nite were that of a cheap shot artist--it wasn`t a fight, Martin threw his cheapy and jumped on a turtled Talbot. Gillies was another cheapy coming from across the ice and hurling himself into the defenseless player---neither was old time hockey in the least.
The evolution of the equipment designed to protect a player is partially the cause---this very equipment when used as a weapon is devastating, players are faster, stronger etc etc than they ever have been so when you use your elbow let`s say after picking up some speed, it`s like wacking something with a sledge hammer. Players sometimes get carried away in a moment and use their armour clad bodies going at full speed as a weapon on an unsuspecting, defenseless player---it can`t be tolerated.
Most important of all----the lack of respect for other players is becoming more evident as time goes by----in "old time hockey" the players refrained for the most part from trying to injure others with cheap shots etc--they fought all right, but they fought face to face and lived to fight another day. There were no helmets, no one used their stick as a weapon---they may have disliked each other but they respected each other.

That was old time hockey.

The Cobra
02-14-2011, 07:22 PM
Just a small footnote to this whining story done by Lemieux----

Who is the most penalized team in the NHL for fighting majors this season???---well lo and behold it`s his very own team The Pittsburg Penguins.
Lemieux is kinda famous for whining about the League when it comes down to himself---In 1992 he spouted off that the NHL was "a garbage league" because he was being hooked and grabbed so much he couldn`t tally up his monster sized point totals. He did clean up a lot of the obstruction problems in the NHL with this statement but note the fact that he wasn`t trying to clean up the NHL. It was himself he had in mind. So why now does Lemieux choose to start up again criticizing the NHL?? because his team was involved, that`s why.