XRS 4500 Catchup & Timeshift

[wedalan]

It seems as though catchup & timeshift is not working since about mid Dec 2024 beta update. Sorry I don’t have the previous version but there have been about 3 more updates since and the unit is currently at v20220919 and current IPTV version v5.0.946

I can confirm that the catchup and timeshift work on these servers using a different IPTV platform loaded on the buzztv unit. So I believe the problem is within the buzztv app itself.

Also notice that the loading of the server data on startup is really slow. I’m seeing 4-5 mins just to start up.


For troubleshooting I’ve cleared caches on all apps, VPN, and no vpn, power resets, primary and secondary player but Nothing gets it working.

Hoping for a solution

[Emporium]

Can't comment about timeshift, since I don't use it.
But 5.0.946 has broken catch-up on wicked for me too (tested on my 2x xrs4900 and my E2). I have already reported it to buzz last week, and they said they would look into it.

Temporarily I have installed smarters on my main boxes I use and I launch smarters when I want to check something on catchup. And that works for now.

I do not however have any slowness in loading server data. What is your EPG source set to (xml or server) ? Mine are all set to server (just for reference).

[dishuser]

Can't comment about timeshift, since I don't use it.
But 5.0.946 has broken catch-up on wicked for me too (tested on my 2x xrs4900 and my E2). I have already reported it to buzz last week, and they said they would look into it.

Temporarily I have installed smarters on my main boxes I use and I launch smarters when I want to check something on catchup. And that works for now.

I do not however have any slowness in loading server data. What is your EPG source set to (xml or server) ? Mine are all set to server (just for reference).

catchup worx on my x5's

[wedalan]

Can't comment about timeshift, since I don't use it.
But 5.0.946 has broken catch-up on wicked for me too (tested on my 2x xrs4900 and my E2). I have already reported it to buzz last week, and they said they would look into it.

Temporarily I have installed smarters on my main boxes I use and I launch smarters when I want to check something on catchup. And that works for now.

I do not however have any slowness in loading server data. What is your EPG source set to (xml or server) ? Mine are all set to server (just for reference).

Just switched mine over to server from xml.

Starting from cold, the box might be a little bit faster with “server” setting on the guide.
Channel changes are quicker.

@Dishuser what stream type do you have set? Default, M3U/HLS,TS ?

[dishuser]

Just switched mine over to server from xml.

Starting from cold, the box might be a little bit faster with “server” setting on the guide.
Channel changes are quicker.

@Dishuser what stream type do you have set? Default, M3U/HLS,TS ?auto which ends up being hls

[wedalan]

auto which ends up being hls

Thx for that,

Looking through all of the setting, I’ve discovered that I had Secondary player selected, switching back to Primary has now restored catchup on channels that don’t offer timeshift. I believe that I could select force catchup using usb storage on channels that have catchup. And that would solve that problem while the timeshift function isn’t working.

I’d say, the only problem here is “time-shift” not catchup as I indicated in the beginning.

Hopefully the problem can be replicated by buzztv so a fix can be sent out.

[Emporium]

auto which ends up being hls

I haven't checked on my 5 series boxes, but on the 4 series boxes (at least on both of xrs4900 and the E2), I checked late last week, and with the latest update, auto is HLS as you mentioned (as it has been in the past). But when I try using catchup, I check my panel, and it uses mpegts_arc (previously it would use hls_arc). So it fails and just keeps trying.

Tomorrow I'll check my classic and/or X5.

EDIT: I just tried it again on my 4900.

Only 2 channels I got to work as expected was CA: City TV Monteal and CA: CITY TV Toronto
The following channels, seem to start to stream, but last about 5 or 6 seconds, and they freeze, and no matter how long I wait, they do not continue.

CA: COTTAGE LIFE TV
CA: LIFETIME
CA: CTV NATURE
US: CBS (WCBS) NEW YORK NY
US: COMEDY CENTRAL FHD


If it was just a single box, I'd day maybe time for a reset. But it is 3 boxes. And on one of them I use catch-up quite often.

I think it is a mix of server glitch in the stream and the updated player. When I tried to play some of them using smarters, some seem to play fine (which hang pretty quicklyunder buzztv), but I do notice some glitching in the beginning of the stream. In 1 case, even smarters would hang, but if I start the catchup and then forward for about 3 minutes (to skip the initial glitches), then it plays fine.

Anyhow, guess a little more testing is needed...

[wedalan]

The description of start then freeze events are exactly what I’m seeing as well.

Is the panel sending out a TS stream? Or HLS ?

If TS then would it work to change that setting?

All in all the system has a bug.

[dishuser]

The description of start then freeze events are exactly what I’m seeing as well.

Is the panel sending out a TS stream? Or HLS ?

If TS then would it work to change that setting?

All in all the system has a bug.

mpegts_arc to be exact
just went back 3 hours and after a few seconds it started playing

[wedalan]

mpegts_arc to be exact
just went back 3 hours and after a few seconds it started playing

What box and software?

[dishuser]

What box and software?

https://www.satfix.to/showthread.php?233116-XRS-4500-Catchup-amp-Timeshift&p=1407376#post1407376

[wedalan]

Well,

The problem with time shift & catchup has not magically fixed its self. Best I can tell is that v946 on the buzztv 4500 is the problem.

Here’s hoping that buzz support has a bit of time to spare toward fixing the problem. Or if not offer up a solution that could allow the previous software version that worked. I believe it was v938 .

@Buzztv Is there any interest in fixing the xrs4500 update scr3w-up?

[dishuser]

Well,

The problem with time shift & catchup has not magically fixed its self. Best I can tell is that v946 on the buzztv 4500 is the problem.

Here’s hoping that buzz support has a bit of time to spare toward fixing the problem. Or if not offer up a solution that could allow the previous software version that worked. I believe it was v938 .

@Buzztv Is there any interest in fixing the xrs4500 update scr3w-up?

catchup worx fine on my 4900 and x5's
I don't use timeshift

[dishuser]

do you have force usb ts turned on?

[Emporium]

catchup worx fine on my 4900 and x5's
I don't use timeshift

Very rarely works on both my 4900 boxes ever since the last update. And I tried on my X5 earlier this week,. and rarely works either.

I only have wicked that has catchup so I can't compare on other servers however.

However I don't know if the issue is the boxes (X5 was hard reset recently), or server. I used to be able to at least use the wicked apk (the smarters version) even after the last update, and it used to usually play, but even that does not work any more (which is why I was wondering if it was server). I tried as recently as last night around midnight, and both BuzzTV on 4900 and wicked apk both did not play. I typically use it on the 2 CBS catchup channels, abc locals, and City TV (Montreal and Toronto).

I ran out of ideas.

[dishuser]

Very rarely works on both my 4900 boxes ever since the last update. And I tried on my X5 earlier this week,. and rarely works either.

I only have wicked that has catchup so I can't compare on other servers however.

However I don't know if the issue is the boxes (X5 was hard reset recently), or server. I used to be able to at least use the wicked apk (the smarters version) even after the last update, and it used to usually play, but even that does not work any more (which is why I was wondering if it was server). I tried as recently as last night around midnight, and both BuzzTV on 4900 and wicked apk both did not play. I typically use it on the 2 CBS catchup channels, abc locals, and City TV (Montreal and Toronto).

I ran out of ideas.

it takes a few minutes to kick in but it worked on every channel I tried

[dishuser]

it takes a few minutes to kick in but it worked on every channel I tried

just tried chch on my x5
went back to 2:30pm and after a minute it started showing mad about you

[Ryu]

just tried catchup on my x5 and it played instantly using Mac server. :)

[Emporium]

just tried catchup on my x5 and it played instantly using Mac server. :)

I have not tried MAC.. Maybe I'll try that tomorrow. I'm always using XC on wicked.

And I have waited for well over 2 minutes.. And panel does show mpegts_arc and I can see it, but nothing streaming on box. Last night I tried on CBS to go back and catch Late night with Stephen Colbert after it aired, and waiting 2 or 3 minutes, and nothing. Tried switching to the wicked APK, and still nada. Even tried switch player on the wicked APK, stream type, and even switched from h.w to sw decoding just to see if something was holding it up, but nothing worked. I then tried ABC catchup for Jimmy Kimmel Live. Same result.

I don't know. Maybe I need to find another server that has catchup, to try it out on another server just to compare.

[Ryu]

now I just tried server using XC API and no issue playing catchup. it was not instant because this server was slightly slow to response so it took around 3 seconds to play. :)

[dishuser]

I watched the whole program with no issues

[Emporium]

Thanks.. But something is strange.. I just tried it on my E2.. Went to CHCH (to use one confirmed working) and chose 2:30 to 3 for mad about you, and 3 minutes in and nothing.

I'll try a few more things tomorrow. I'll try changing stream types, reboot my modem/router, VPN on/off (even though no issues with live tv or vod). My other boxes are wired, the E2 is Wireless, so no difference there.

[dishuser]

Thanks.. But something is strange.. I just tried it on my E2.. Went to CHCH (to use one confirmed working) and chose 2:30 to 3 for mad about you, and 3 minutes in and nothing.

I'll try a few more things tomorrow. I'll try changing stream types, reboot my modem/router, VPN on/off (even though no issues with live tv or vod). My other boxes are wired, the E2 is Wireless, so no difference there.
we were told last year to use hls for catchup

[dishuser]

just to show hls is being used30334

[Emporium]

we were told last year to use hls for catchup

I know and that is what I typically have all my boxes set to (not even automatic). But when things stopped working, I started to experiment with different settings.
But even if I have it set to HLS, when you try to go to catchup, for some reason, even though previously it would show hls_arc on the panel, now I see mpegts_arc. So either something changed with wicked, or something changed in the catchup API with 946 (release notes say "Added New Catch-up API to XC Login Servers").

I'll reset my classic tomorrow and start from scratch. It is very odd. When I plugged in my E5 a few days ago (which I had not used in a while), it was using .938, and I went straight in to test catchup and all seemed to work with 2 channels I tested. Then when it took the update less than a minute later and I went back to try again, it no longer worked :(

Trying to make sense of the various tests and every time I think I have figured out the issue, there is a twist that throws the whole theory out the window :)

[dishuser]

just went back 3 hours on a&e and stream format changed to mpegts_arc and took about a minute to play
30335

[Emporium]

Thanks..
Guess I'll have to run a few more scenarios to see what is causing it. It all used to work, so it is very strange.

[wedalan]

do you have force usb ts turned on?

Yep I’ve tried on off , different storage devices. Nadda.

Last night I factory reset the box and afterward it came up on v766. I loaded the wicked string and catchup worked, I was in the midst of trying timeshift when the box went into auto update and went to v946. After that timeshift did not work. And of course neither did catchup.



@Emporium,

I think your on the right path with the v946 notes about “ Added New Catch-up API to XC Login Servers.

That could be it.

It’d be great to hear from more people using 4500’s to get a better picture of what the source of the problem is.

I seems if the x5 works then we can eliminate the server from being the possible problems.

[dishuser]

Yep I’ve tried on off , different storage devices. Nadda.

Last night I factory reset the box and afterward it came up on v766. I loaded the wicked string and catchup worked, I was in the midst of trying timeshift when the box went into auto update and went to v946. After that timeshift did not work. And of course neither did catchup.



@Emporium,

I think your on the right path with the v946 notes about “ Added New Catch-up API to XC Login Servers.

That could be it.

It’d be great to hear from more people using 4500’s to get a better picture of what the source of the problem is.

I seems if the x5 works then we can eliminate the server from being the possible problems.

my 4900,x5's and x5 ss all work on catchup

[dishuser]

Thanks..
Guess I'll have to run a few more scenarios to see what is causing it. It all used to work, so it is very strange.

I think I figured it out
open your panel and see how many live connections show for the catchup channel when you try it

[Emporium]

I think I figured it out
open your panel and see how many live connections show for the catchup channel when you try it

So what is the theory ?

I just checked and I get 1 live HLS connection when watching.. Then I try to bring up catchup, and I see one mpegts_arc get launched. Which is fine, not more than my 2 max connections. If I leave it trying to play the catchup, eventually the hls connection closes, so then I just have the one mpegts_arc connection, and after some time, it closes (goes red) and it opens a new connection.
So after a while, there is only a single green connection for the catchup and that's it.

Last night, on my 4900, I switch from "fast login" to "default". Then switched from Automatic stream, to force HLS/M3U8. And went into settings and cleared cache. And last night, on my 4900, I managed to get get catchup working. And it worked all night. OK, navigating (FWD/REW) was pretty slow to respond compared to old time, but that may be server. And I thought, cool, it is just the fast login/default login option..
Tried to make the same changes today on my Classic, and can't get it to work :(

Now I created a MAC account for my Classic. But for some reason, I get no EPG :(
I tried using all variations or URL, h t tp://portal/c h t t p:/portal/stalker_portal/c h t t p://portal:2xxx/stalker_portal/c
Tried clearing EPG to force a refresh and always comes back with "no information" :)
Am I missing something ? I rarely use MAC with wicked.

[dishuser]

I get 4 connections showing for catchup channel by the time it starts playing30337

[Emporium]

I get 4 connections showing for catchup channel by the time it starts playing30337

I find that there is still only one "green", the others are all red (connection killed). So it effectively tries to connect 4 times before it finally gets the stream going.

No time today, and tomorrow I'm at the office. But i will try on Friday with a 4 connection account.

But I don't get why my MAC account on wicked has no EPG :( And I've tried all permutations of the portal URL that can think of.
Says loading, then "No information. Did a clear cache, even Clear EPG a few times between URL changes, but no difference..

If someone has MAC on wicked, can you CLEAR EPG and see if it repopulates ?

[dishuser]

no epg using mac

[Emporium]

OK.. Just did a hard reset on my Classic, since it refused to do catchup (yes it was bugging me).

It reverted to 5.0.940 after the reset

Created my XC server profile for wicked, and quickly logged in. Tried 2 canadian City TV (MTL/TOR) channels, and 2 CBS channels and Catchup works perfectly and starts up within 3 to 5 secs max. Even quick FWD/RWD were instantaneous (when they did not freeze). It did happen on occasion that FWD/RWD will freeze the stream and will not recover and comes back with a "media not supported message" sometimes. But I can live with that.

When I check my panel, it shows hls_arc as it did previously :) Don't now why it was switched to mpegts_arc at one point.

https://www.satfix.to/attachment.php?attachmentid=30338&d=1738803141

Yes, the 24/7 Lost in pic above is the wife's latest binge :)

Logged off and back again and worked the same.

Tried taking updates from menu->settings->check updates and it tells me "no updates available". Power cycled and still nothing. Maybe needs some time or update server is offline for now. I'll leave it on to see if it get the .946 update :)

Guess will see when it updates to .946 if it will behave the same. Guess I'll find out on Friday. But for now, it works like a charm. Hmm...

[wedalan]

I find that there is still only one "green", the others are all red (connection killed). So it effectively tries to connect 4 times before it finally gets the stream going.

No time today, and tomorrow I'm at the office. But i will try on Friday with a 4 connection account.

But I don't get why my MAC account on wicked has no EPG :( And I've tried all permutations of the portal URL that can think of.
Says loading, then "No information. Did a clear cache, even Clear EPG a few times between URL changes, but no difference..

If someone has MAC on wicked, can you CLEAR EPG and see if it repopulates ?

Very interesting observation,

I was trying different servers on the 4500 last night and also pulled out the x?3000 @ sw352. Can somebody tell me if that is the latest sw the 3000 had? It didn’t run TS or catchup. It tried to do catchup and on some chs it would begin and play but if you tried to fwd or back it would go back to the start of the program.

In trouble shooting with the 4500, I had some success with different servers doing time shift, but wicked would not work.
After going back to trying wicked, the box was somewhat messed up. It would play live tv for a few seconds hang then after a few seconds repeat abit further then hang and then go back, repeat and move ahead by a few seconds each time. Rebooted cleared caches, changed players and every combo to get it go on wicked but it wouldn’t stop repeating and freezing. Then I noticed that in the account settings it was showing 4 out of 4 active connections. Problem was I was the only one using wicked. I pinged my dealer and asked what he saw and he said there was only one connection showing on his end. To be safe, we switched login info, and I tried again. It still showed 4 active users on my end. It still kept skipping & freezing using live tv with wicked. If I switched to a different server live tv played with no problems and TS worked on channels that didn’t have catchup. If I tried on channels that had catchup the buzz unit would stop freeze up and not play. I did let it try for up to +4 mins. But no go.
Kinda came to conclusion that I’ll have to factory reset it again and see what happens.

I’m interested to see how many active connections it shows before trying catchup vrs after trying catchup.


****Update****

Factory reset the 4500 loaded wicked , the box updated to 946. Added storage, formatted and setup as internal storage.

Live tv works normal. When I try to use catchup or time shift the program time-string comes up and the little timer shows that it goes back in time. Then when you try to play the box just hangs. After a few mins it pops over to live tv.
A quick check on the active users shows 6 out of 4. I’m the only one on it. I believe the player is over loading to server somehow and causing it to freeze. I dunno. A ghost in the machine.

[wedalan]

Bumping the thread,

I see an update is being released today v947 …

Does anyone know if that will be sent to xrs4500 ‘s

I’d like to see a fix for the v946 that doesn’t allow timeshift (TS) or catchup to work . It’s been awhile since it last worked on the old 4500.

[nobodyspecial]

I pulled out my 4500 and tested catchup on 2 servers, wkd and one of wedalens
At first I tried catchup as it was on937 and no issues
The box updated and I repeated the tests and except for one or two streams on wedalens catchup worked fine. Also worked fine on wkd
You mentioned doing a reset
Was it a pin reset?

[wedalan]

Thx for the work on this.

Regarding the reset?

Yes it was with a toothpick in the hole reset. Box comes up on previous software and is completely wiped clean.

Couple of notes for me to compare.

What channels where you getting to work?

What login url did you use for wkd? Pm me if you like. I’ve got about 4 different ones.

[dishuser]

Thx for the work on this.

Regarding the reset?

Yes it was with a toothpick in the hole reset. Box comes up on previous software and is completely wiped clean.

Couple of notes for me to compare.

What channels where you getting to work?

What login url did you use for wkd? Pm me if you like. I’ve got about 4 different ones.

I use 2086 on all my buzztv boxes

[wedalan]

I use 2086 on all my buzztv boxes

I was on live switched to 2086 and still the same.

[nobodyspecial]

Thx for the work on this.

Regarding the reset?

Yes it was with a toothpick in the hole reset. Box comes up on previous software and is completely wiped clean.

Couple of notes for me to compare.

What channels where you getting to work?

What login url did you use for wkd? Pm me if you like. I’ve got about 4 different ones.

Every channel that I tried on wkd worked
I use wickediptv.xyz.2086
I can also get the flash file for you if you want to load by usb

[nobodyspecial]

I havnt deleted the info you gave me yet so I can give you a list of channels that I tried later this afternoon if you want

[wedalan]

Every channel that I tried on wkd worked
I use wickediptv.xyz.2086
I can also get the flash file for you if you want to load by usb

That looks like a great place to start. I’ll definitely try loading from usb.
Would you like send a link to my pm?

How do you have your storage configured for recording, time shift and catchup? Is it internal storage, or external storage?

Pls hold the info till so we can get it fixed.

[nobodyspecial]

I don't use timeshift and for testing I am just using internal
I havnt received link yet

[nobodyspecial]

File sent...

[wedalan]

I don't use timeshift and for testing I am just using internal
I havnt received link yet

For storage I’ve tried , internal, external , micro sd, external hard drive, usb sticks.
Good to know internal works also.


Quick review of the issue I’m chasing, I’m really going after catch up

The server I’m Using wikd, or pny.

On a catch-up channelusing storage for timeshift selected off. Primary player. HLS.

Timeshift doesn’t work.
Catchup doesn’t work.

On a non-catch up chwith same settings.

No catch-up available… so obviously it doesn’t work.

Timeshift ( small blue time-shift symbol on info screen) Timeshift works as it should and allows me to go back to the point where the channel was tuned in. Plays right away. All ok.

If these results match yours then I’m not sure there will be a benefit to loading the update from USB file.

Recall that when the box is factory reset and it first comes up, it on an earlier sw version. All functions work as they should. Once the box updates to 946, It’s back to broken.
This finding leads me to believe that whatever change in the 946 was introduced. It is causing the catchup not to work on a catchup channel.

Very appreciative of the time and effort anyone here or behind the scene is putting into this.

[dishuser]

for ts to work on a catchup channel you have to use force usb ts on

[wedalan]

for ts to work on a catchup channel you have to use force usb ts on

Yes & No..

If the servers catchup is working, then it looks like the player will select a previous point in time ( requested by the user) and the server plays it back from that point for them. No forced usb TS required. Wicked server previously worked like this on buzz.

Also,
If you selected forced usb TS storage then you could only go back in time as far as the unit has been on that channel. You couldn’t change to a catchup channel and immediately go back further that what the usb has recorded.

In the simplest terms, It looks as though using force usb TS just by passes the servers catchup feature, but you will be limited to only going back as far as you’ve been on that ch.

DU

With any of your buzz5 players using wicked …

Can you go to a ch with catchup and then go back 30 mins.or 45 mins and hit play and have it play from that point? If it works for you pls let us know. Settings?

A few people have theorized that the server is experiencing catchup issues. That may be true, however when I repeat the test using tivimate, or sparkle tv app. Loaded on the same buzz unit It (catchup) works. Timeshift on catchup ch works.

Not to forget.. If the unit is factory reset, It (buzz4500) works until it updates. This really proves that the servers catchup is working properly.

Trying to eliminate the need for external apps.

[dishuser]

yes and no?
it's yes only
timeshift is different than catchup
timeshift only goes as far back as when you started watching the channel
catchup goes back as far as what is stored on server

[wedalan]

yes and no?
it's yes only
timeshift is different than catchup
timeshift only goes as far back as when you started watching the channel
catchup goes back as far as what is stored on server

Yes & No..

Pls Give it a try.

****Updated Info****

I just tried this setting,
When Using “ the force usb TS “ setting works as it should. I don’t think there has been any doubt about its function.

The problem seems to be in the buzztv trying to play catchup.

Do any of your units using B5 player run the catchup feature properly?

[dishuser]

I don't use timeshift since wicked is loaded with channels that have catchup
and catchup worx

[wedalan]

I don't use timeshift since wicked is loaded with channels that have catchup
and catchup worx

ROTLMO!!!

Yea! That’s the issue. I’d like it if mine would do the same using the buzz app.

[dishuser]

ROTLMO!!!

Yea! That’s the issue. I’d like it if mine would do the same using the buzz app.

I only use buzztv 5 and 6

[Emporium]

Without any timeshift stuff (I don't use timeshift), you can go back on the program you are watching. At least on the 4900 (which I used the most), I used to have to do a little jumping through hoops, but it worked. When watching something on liveTV, I would try to rewind, but it would not imemdiately. But if you press PAUSE, try to REW, and then unPAUSE, then try to REW, it would requind and you could go all the way back to the beginning of the show you were watching. Minor glitch. but eventually developped muscle memory for it :) REW, PAUSE, REW, UNPAUSE, and then REW and you can go where you want. Release the REW and in about 20 seconds or so (like other catchup), it plays from where you released the REW.

Today I did some testing on the X5 SS, and even though catchup is not perfect, it does actually work.
I found a bug which I will report later this weekend after a little more testing. Hitting Pause on the remote while watching catchup, starts the segment from the beginning.

For both of my 4900 boxes, catchup has been on and off lately. so I think I may be due for a hard reset.

[dishuser]

just went back 3 hours in guide and catchup worx
it does take a bit to start playing though

[wedalan]

Without any timeshift stuff (I don't use timeshift), you can go back on the program you are watching. At least on the 4900 (which I used the most), I used to have to do a little jumping through hoops, but it worked. When watching something on liveTV, I would try to rewind, but it would not imemdiately. But if you press PAUSE, try to REW, and then unPAUSE, then try to REW, it would requind and you could go all the way back to the beginning of the show you were watching. Minor glitch. but eventually developped muscle memory for it :) REW, PAUSE, REW, UNPAUSE, and then REW and you can go where you want. Release the REW and in about 20 seconds or so (like other catchup), it plays from where you released the REW.

Today I did some testing on the X5 SS, and even though catchup is not perfect, it does actually work.
I found a bug which I will report later this weekend after a little more testing. Hitting Pause on the remote while watching catchup, starts the segment from the beginning.

For both of my 4900 boxes, catchup has been on and off lately. so I think I may be due for a hard reset.


I see the same behaviour.

Wrt to the skipping back to the begining comment
The xrs4500 is doing it also. It just doesn’t play.

Since the last post, I’ve been advised that wicked catchup is currently down. So I guess it’s not there to test this with at the moment.

The other server ..pony.

Is working with buzz & tivimate as I write this, however I am seeing some freezing going on.

The pause play rewind on a currently airing program doesn’t work using buzz, but if I go back a few hours then it tries to work
( with freezing)

Tivimate doesn’t have timeshift to repeat the same with currently airing programming. It only does catchup on previously aired programming.

[Emporium]

I see the same behaviour.

Wrt to the skipping back to the begining comment
The xrs4500 is doing it also. It just doesn’t play.

Since the last post, I’ve been advised that wicked catchup is currently down. So I guess it’s not there to test this with at the moment.

The other server ..pony.

Is working with buzz & tivimate as I write this, however I am seeing some freezing going on.

The pause play rewind on a currently airing program doesn’t work using buzz, but if I go back a few hours then it tries to work
( with freezing)

Tivimate doesn’t have timeshift to repeat the same with currently airing programming. It only does catchup on previously aired programming.


yes w... catchup does seem to be down now (was up earlier today when I did some testing).

The pause play rewind on a currently airing program is a little bit of a mixed bag. Technically that is "timeshift", but obviously timeshift is limited to the period that you have been watching. And if you have timeshift enabled, and "the force usb TS" then you are limited to this recorded section. If you don't have timeshift enabled (which I don't) then it switches to catchup (obviously on channels with catch-up) and you can REW the channel you are watching. It is slow, and sometimes needs a little fussing (like procedure I mentioned previously) but it works for the most part. And I was surprised when I had figured out that you can scroll back on sections of a currently airing stream. I always thought you had to wait for program to finish to be able to play it back from catchup, but that is NOT the case.

I don't have ...pony, so I can't comment on how it works on that server.

[dishuser]

catchup is not down
I just started watching a program that started 3½ hours ago

[Emporium]

catchup is not down
I just started watching a program that started 3½ hours ago

It must have just come back up. Maybe a quick server reboot or something. When I tried it just before posting, it was down completely, and did try a few channels. And I know it was up earlier today, since I did some testing on the X5 SS with it.
Just tried it now, and it is working fine again.

[wedalan]

yes w... catchup does seem to be down now (was up earlier today when I did some testing).

The pause play rewind on a currently airing program is a little bit of a mixed bag. Technically that is "timeshift", but obviously timeshift is limited to the period that you have been watching. And if you have timeshift enabled, and "the force usb TS" then you are limited to this recorded section. If you don't have timeshift enabled (which I don't) then it switches to catchup (obviously on channels with catch-up) and you can REW the channel you are watching. It is slow, and sometimes needs a little fussing (like procedure I mentioned previously) but it works for the most part. And I was surprised when I had figured out that you can scroll back on sections of a currently airing stream. I always thought you had to wait for program to finish to be able to play it back from catchup, but that is NOT the case.

I don't have ...pony, so I can't comment on how it works on that server.


Hey E,

Thanks for looking at it.

Your explanation on the catchup / timeshift operations was what I was trying to say a few posts ago.

It’s really within the catchup function during the currently playing program that I’m not getting to play.

If I pause and then try and play or skip ahead it just fails out.

With pony I’m able to go back several hours and get it to play. If I stop at any time I is hit or miss wheather it will start again. That’s where I offer see it go to the beginning of the program and try to restart from there.











I know you know where the pony is.

[dishuser]

Hey E,

Thanks for looking at it.

Your explanation on the catchup / timeshift operations was what I was trying to say a few posts ago.

It’s really within the catchup function during the currently playing program that I’m not getting to play.

If I pause and then try and play or skip ahead it just fails out.

With pony I’m able to go back several hours and get it to play. If I stop at any time I is hit or miss wheather it will start again. That’s where I offer see it go to the beginning of the program and try to restart from there.











I know you know where the pony is.

I paused and unpaused and it goes back to the beginning but I can fast forward after doing that

[Emporium]

I paused and unpaused and it goes back to the beginning but I can fast forward after doing that

Pause and unpause on catchup works fine on the P6 (running latest buzztv 6) :) Just like if you were playing a VOD movie.

And if you press REW on live program that is on a catchup channel, it switches to catchup and goes to beginning of the program. Takes a few seconds and then starts catchup playback. You can then FWD through and go to any point (up to current location) and continue from there.

[dishuser]

Pause and unpause on catchup works fine on the P6 (running latest buzztv 6) :) Just like if you were playing a VOD movie.

And if you press REW on live program that is on a catchup channel, it switches to catchup and goes to beginning of the program. Takes a few seconds and then starts catchup playback. You can then FWD through and go to any point (up to current location) and continue from there.
the 4500 doesn't use buzztv 6 ;)
but that does work on buzztv 5
it just takes a bit to kick in

[Emporium]

the 4500 doesn't use buzztv 6 ;)
but that does work on buzztv 5
it just takes a bit to kick in

I know.. But just saying.. The Pause/unpause I am sure used to work on BuzzTV 5 perfectly in the past.

I know I used to watch catch-up, then pause for the old man mandatory pee break, and then come back and continue without a hitch. It would not go to the beginning of the segment like it does now.

Oh well..

[wedalan]

the 4500 doesn't use buzztv 6 ;)
but that does work on buzztv 5
it just takes a bit to kick in

In my experiences the 4500 doesn’t go or kick in, it just hangs.

@ Emporium ….wrt the P6 running buzz tv 6 as you describe. Is it setup to force TS to usb in that scenario? Or is it playing from the servers catchup? If it’s from the server then it really shows that the servers catchup function is working.

This Really needs to have buzz look at this more closely. Whoever (at buzztv) does the this type of work should be able to see this pretty quickly.

The problem is repeatable and it didn’t do it with previous version before the update.
When a factory reset is done and the box is rolled back to an earlier version , it works fine, until it updates.

Using different apps with catchup, the catchup function works, I have to believe it’s not server related.

This one is in someone else’s hands. Here’s hoping the old unit gets some love.

[dishuser]

I know.. But just saying.. The Pause/unpause I am sure used to work on BuzzTV 5 perfectly in the past.

I know I used to watch catch-up, then pause for the old man mandatory pee break, and then come back and continue without a hitch. It would not go to the beginning of the segment like it does now.

Oh well..
it only goes back to the beginning if I start a program from epg
if I pause while watching live tv it resumes from where I paused
OP mentioned going back 30-45 minutes or more so I used epg for catchup since it's faster

[dishuser]

In my experiences the 4500 doesn’t go or kick in, it just hangs.

@ Emporium ….wrt the P6 running buzz tv 6 as you describe. Is it setup to force TS to usb in that scenario? Or is it playing from the servers catchup? If it’s from the server then it really shows that the servers catchup function is working.

This Really needs to have buzz look at this more closely. Whoever (at buzztv) does the this type of work should be able to see this pretty quickly.

The problem is repeatable and it didn’t do it with previous version before the update.
When a factory reset is done and the box is rolled back to an earlier version , it works fine, until it updates.

Using different apps with catchup, the catchup function works, I have to believe it’s not server related.

This one is in someone else’s hands. Here’s hoping the old unit gets some love.

do you have RTS on or off?

[wedalan]

do you have RTS on or off?

I was in the on position

Switched to off position, rebooted and tried with A& E and AMC .
Neither one worked.

[dishuser]

I was in the on position

Switched to off position, rebooted and tried with A& E and AMC .
Neither one worked.

those channels were down earlier
try some others

[wedalan]

those channels were down earlier
try some others

Was actually using the pony server, so it could be a different source.

If your testing on a ch pls list it so we can give that a try.

[dishuser]

Was actually using the pony server, so it could be a different source.

If your testing on a ch pls list it so we can give that a try.

a&e fhd and tsn 5
can rw/fw or go back in epg
can try others after the game

[wedalan]

Late reply but here’s tonight’s test

Using US Discovery ch in all cases

Tried using catchup on tivimate premium

Wicked & pinkpony server

Catchup worked great. Just as if it was VOD. Pause, play rewind, go back a few hours. Play was prompt and no issues.

Repeated the test using the buzz 4500

Same servers, same channel,

None of the tests using catchup worked. I gave it plenty of time to start but it never played.

@ du would you happen to have a different older unit that you could give this a try on?
I remember you talking about having a 4900,

[dishuser]

Late reply but here’s tonight’s test

Using US Discovery ch in all cases

Tried using catchup on tivimate premium

Wicked & pinkpony server

Catchup worked great. Just as if it was VOD. Pause, play rewind, go back a few hours. Play was prompt and no issues.

Repeated the test using the buzz 4500

Same servers, same channel,

None of the tests using catchup worked. I gave it plenty of time to start but it never played.

@ du would you happen to have a different older unit that you could give this a try on?
I remember you talking about having a 4900,

I thought I already tried it but will try again in the afternoon

[dishuser]

catchup worx with version 5.0.946

[dishuser]

timeshift doesn't