Pointing to 110W

[four_sextacy]

Hi.

What's the strongest, or recommended, transponder to use when pointing your dish to 110w?

Thanks

[four_sextacy]

Anyone, please?

[dishuser]

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[jvvh5897]

The strongest will be spot beam(s) for your area. As we don't know what that/those are..... You can get that info from sites that list mapping.

[Mavrick]

Hi.

What's the strongest, or recommended, transponder to use when pointing your dish to 110w?

Thanks

You should not be using the strongest TP to aim a dish, you should be using the weakest one. If you get the weakest TP as best as you can get it then usually all other TP's will be as strong as they can be ;)

[Terryl]

Try TP12355 L channel 9598, it will tell you if you have a dish pointing to 110W or not.

[four_sextacy]

Thanks everyone, for all the great input. I find it weird that I'm able to get signal on the spot beam transponders for my area, but not on any other transponder. I'm thinking that the reason I'm getting signal on the spot beam transponders for my area, is because those are the strongest transponders. I hope that it's just a matter of fine tuning the dish in order pick up all other transponders.

Thanks to all!

[jvvh5897]

The spot beams are the older QPSK DVB-S modulation at 20000 SR, the new modulation for TPs use DVB-S2 8PSK Turbo FEC and 21500 SR--if your box does not have the correct chip for that then you will not see them and if SR is not set correctly you may not see them either.

[four_sextacy]

The spot beams are the older QPSK DVB-S modulation at 20000 SR, the new modulation for TPs use DVB-S2 8PSK Turbo FEC and 21500 SR--if your box does not have the correct chip for that then you will not see them and if SR is not set correctly you may not see them either.

Hi jvvh5897. Were you meaning that the only DVB-S QPSK transponders on 110 are spot beams? Besides the local spot beam transponders, are all other transponders DVB-S2 8PSK? According to lyngsat that doesn't seem to be the case. As an example, transponders 1, 2, 3, 6, 8, 9 are all DVB-S QPSK.

[Shark1959]

The spot beams are the older QPSK DVB-S modulation at 20000 SR, the new modulation for TPs use DVB-S2 8PSK Turbo FEC and 21500 SR--if your box does not have the correct chip for that then you will not see them and if SR is not set correctly you may not see them either.

Hopefully I'm not hi-jacking here but, your statement above most likely points to the reason I was unable to hit any TP's on 110, other than one or two using an old VS Ultra. I guess I'll drag out my VS 9000 and see if I have any better luck with that.

Geez these old boxes are really door stop now, you can't even use them to help dial in the satellites any more. :)

Cheers :)

Shark1959

[jvvh5897]

I don't know if lyngsat is up to date. Last time I pointed a dish at 110 and checked, I got 2 TP with an old box--they were spot beams (I did try a search with a regular openbox s16 DVB-S2 box and only got 2 as well--no Turbo FEC function in the tuner decoder in that box). I'm guessing that 5 or 6 TP as spot beams would be what is needed to cover all of the required NA area with locals (10 to 20 spot beams on each TP, pointed to diff areas--not sure how many they can do with the solar power they get and the hardware they launch). What is not spot beamed locals would be CONUS--that means 300 or so channels total over the whole of USA on the one satellite.

The old boxes are not really door stops, you can get those spot beams on 110, use Linear LNB and bigger dishes to find signals and some can do DSS on 119 and 101 prov sats with your little dishes and standard circular LNBs (I've posted on some of my work on that in the advanced section VS ultra would likely be good for those DSS sats--I know vs plat can lock into DSS TP and most likely with the right channel list would get the audio streams).

[four_sextacy]

Hi "jvvh5897". That might be the reason as to why I'm only get signal on 2 transponders on 110. Are all of the transponders on 110 DVB-S2 Turbe FEC except the spot beams?

Thanks.

[jvvh5897]

Well, if I can't pick up anything but the spot beams with a box that does not have Turbo FEC and since I do not have a box that has Turbo FEC functions, all I can tell you is that the channel lists for boxes that do have Turbo FEC Broadcom chips do pick up lots of TPs (I've posted about sonicview 8000HD and Jynzbox channel list's contents in those box's sections).

http://www.satfix.to/showthread.php?201175-changing-bev-channel-for-jynx-hd-v-30
thread has extracted data that shows TP data from posted channel list

Or look at what is posted in :
http://www.satfix.to/showthread.php?201498-Channel-list&p=1228962#post1228962

[four_sextacy]

So it seems then, that lyngsat's listing of transponders on the 110 is very outdated as they list several transponders on the 110 as DVB-S. Have a look here:
https://www.lyngsat.com/packages/Dish-USA-110W.html What DVB-S frequency and on which satellite, is Fox Sports 2, HBO Comedy East, and Starz West on?

Thanks.

[Shark1959]

So it seems then, that lyngsat's listing of transponders on the 110 is very outdated as they list several transponders on the 110 as DVB-S. Have a look here:
https://www.lyngsat.com/packages/Dish-USA-110W.html What DVB-S frequency and on which satellite, is Fox Sports 2, HBO Comedy East, and Starz West on?

Thanks.

The channels you are looking for are all on 12428 on satellite 110. See attached photo.
They used to be listed as DVB-S, SR 20000 and now are listed as SR 21500.
I believe this is why an SD box can no longer dial into TP's with an SR of 21500, as well as having the need for the turbo FEC function.

I'm going to try again on weekend and see how much better I can do with my VS-9000 HD box versus the VS Ultra.

Cheers :)

Shark1959

[four_sextacy]

Hi. Are you saying that you need a Turbo FEC receiver in order to 1) pick up any DVB-S2 Turbo FEC transponder, and 2) pick up any DVB-S transponder with SR 21 500? I'm using an HD receiver that is not compatible with Turbo FEC. Is it pretty much useless for receiving 110, other than the spot beam locals?

Thanks.

[Shark1959]

That's seems to be the case with my set-up.

Back in the day when these receivers were sold, they came without the required module to receive such channels. You could buy them separately and simply install them yourself. I believe you can still find them on E-bay though depending on your receiver of course.

jvvh5897 I'm sure will be able to add additional information, seems like a sharp cookie with regards to this stuff.

Cheers :)

Shark1959

[jvvh5897]

I think the question has been answered 4 times now. Switch started late in 2015 as I recall--pretty old news. Just look at the TP updates in sonicview 8000 files section--lots of updates during a short period and lately little new posting of satellite lists.

[four_sextacy]

Thank you for all the valuable feedback. All along I was thinking that my dish came off alignment and that being the reason as to why I could only get 2 transponders which happen to be the spot beam transponders. I've been out of the loop for quite some time. I remember getting more than 2 transponders when I aligned the dish several years back. But as jvvh5897 and Shark1959 confirmed, ever since the SR was changed from 20000 to 21500 on some transponders, only Turbo FEC can pick up these transponders. I guess it's time to take down the dish or point it elsewhere.

[jvvh5897]

I've always wondered how hard it would be to take one of the $20 modules and put in something that would let one pick up signals again. The boxes for IKS are a little high for me as I don't do IKS, but I do have an interest in scanning sats and how one use the modules in other ways. Not sure how that would work though as little info is out there about the modules--no pin out or code for their use (well I've found a little c and h for one type of chip but no full data sheets, only data briefs and I have pulled some code out of files for boxes). I have seen jynz clones for $50 or so with module in the box, but from China--if you buy more locally you pay $100+ for IKS box with Turbo FEC.

[four_sextacy]

It would sound like a very interesting project. If only there was some more information.

[Shark1959]

Thank you for all the valuable feedback. All along I was thinking that my dish came off alignment and that being the reason as to why I could only get 2 transponders which happen to be the spot beam transponders. I've been out of the loop for quite some time. I remember getting more than 2 transponders when I aligned the dish several years back. But as jvvh5897 and Shark1959 confirmed, ever since the SR was changed from 20000 to 21500 on some transponders, only Turbo FEC can pick up these transponders. I guess it's time to take down the dish or point it elsewhere.

Why don't you just add a module to your box, then you can keep using your dish if you have a sub to IKS which are free by the way if you purchase an IPTV code. I believe the modules are still available through E-bay and other sources, although I don't know which box you have. As far as installation, they are very easy to install, nothing to it.

Cheers :)

Shark1959

[four_sextacy]

I don't think they make 8psk Turbo FEC tuners fro the dreambox 800se hd.