82 degrees

[dryden]

i m asking about a transponder (23) on 82 degres...i want to scan it ...i know that we have mlb network channel on it...is it a weak one ? or i have to ajust a little bit my antenna ? i dont understand that because all others transponders are in the 90 % quality and signal ...



thanks

[nobodyspecial]

the tps might not be active Issue is not at your end

[Dells]

There is the MLB Network on sat 91 TP 12632. You can try scanning that, it should pick up channel 447. Or it could be 1447 depending on how your receiver numbers channels.

[nobodyspecial]

Thanks Dells I was thinking of mlb extra inning channels

[Dells]

You're welcome. It's new to the North sats I think.

[dryden]

whats the meaning of '' not at your end '' ?

[nobodyspecial]

whats the meaning of '' not at your end '' ?

sorry my bad I checked a rcvr (t5) and it had no quality on that tp Settings were wrong

[dryden]

so whats the right settings ??

[nobodyspecial]

so whats the right settings ??

what rcvr do you have?

[nobodyspecial]

tp 12530
21500
v
turbo

[dryden]

i cant change polarity ...i'm in horizontal right now !!!

[jon doe]

I posted the issue here
http://www.satfix.to/showthread.php?200906-Nimiq-4-tp22-12530-issue
and maybe I should of posted it here instead. Since its not really receiver related, I am not sure where I should post it to get some help.

Thank you and sorry for creating a new thread about the same issue.

[dryden]

finally all settings are ok but no mlb network channel after scanning !!

[Dells]

The information in post 3 will get you the MLB network if that is what you're looking for. If you're looking for the MLB package, that is on sat 82. So can you clarify what you're looking for.

[dryden]

but if i want it in hd (mlb network channel) ?

[jvvh5897]

I've read both now, and heck if I know! If the prov box gets it (82 degree TP 12530) OK, but the other boxes don't, then that implies all dishes are well pointed and cables are OK. But what could the prov box do that your boxes do not? I suppose there could be a single cable that has an odd dip in the response curve that could be an issue, but if there are two diff cables with similar issue, that would not seem to be the case. Maybe some issue with passing 22kHz pulses so that the switch does not always do what it should, but again two cables with same issue--odds are not--though maybe the 22kHz pulse levels on prov box differ from the FTA boxes. LNB LO could have drifted, but on two diff dishes--odds are not in the same way or the same amount and it would affect more than one TP.
That the prov box gets it, also suggests no terrestrial RFI issue.
Pretty much says that all possible issues are not a factor and you should have no problem.
Could be an odd corrosion on cable connectors at the box or some issue within the cable. Possible LNB voltage issue.

This post suggests others with the issue too:
http://www.satfix.to/showthread.php?201019-82-degrees&p=1225433#post1225433

[jon doe]

Yes you are correct. That other thread is going on the same direction.

I need to get this tested on a legacy LNB directly to the receiver and see if the same issue exists.
So far, I'm thinking some kind of odd DPP issue since all these instances (in this case) involve DPP equipment.
When I get a chance to test, I will report back. In the meantime, any other input is welcomed.
Thank you for your reply.

[jon doe]

http://www.satfix.to/showthread.php?201025-Nimiq4-12530-Tp-issue&p=1225466#post1225466
Check here and lets work on this together?
Do you have DPP equipment on your dish?

[dryden]

what a dpp equipement ?

[jon doe]

Your LNB's on your dish. What kind are they?

[dryden]

i have a 3 lnb (standard ones)

[jon doe]

Then you must not have the same setup as the issue I am having. What you pointing at with 3 LNB and 82w in the equation?

[dryden]

so if i understand ..to not be capable to scan mlb networkchannel...the reason is the transponder not the receiver or lnb's ?

[Dells]

Post the Transponder number that it's suppose to be on and what channel number it's suppose to scan in as.

[dryden]

do you have a better place than lyngsat to check list of satellites and transponders ...i will post what i want ....on lyngsat i see nothing about mlb network in HD ....

[dryden]

i will post what YOU want ...sorry

[jvvh5897]

If you have the box settings correct, then my best guess is that the TP is weak or failing at the satellite. The prov box may have better low level response and can pull it out of the grass where your FTA boxes do not. It really is the last possibility. Maybe go with a bigger dish would be a fix.

[jon doe]

If you read in the other thread, I've already been working on this and I think all the info is there.

[jon doe]

12530 on 82w. Sid 1420.

[dryden]

i saw it and tried it ....no result....and on lyngsat these infos are not for mlb network channel...they are for cbssports network canada and cooking channel canada !!....

[nobodyspecial]

i saw it and tried it ....no result....and on lyngsat these infos are not for mlb network channel...they are for cbssports network canada and cooking channel canada !!....

lyngsat is not up to date very often

[dryden]

so do you have another way to have these infos up to date ?

[nobodyspecial]

http://bellsrdu.ca/en/channel_lineup.htm

[dryden]

i dont know what to say ....i tried many times tr.12530....but the only thing i dont tried is to to put the last two numbers ...is it really the difference ? 12530 versus 1253018 ??

[nobodyspecial]

i dont know what to say ....i tried many times tr.12530....but the only thing i dont tried is to to put the last two numbers ...is it really the difference ? 12530 versus 1253018 ??

no difference

[nobodyspecial]

my friend cant scan it in either

[dryden]

is it Bell the problem or our receivers ...i dont know

[jon doe]

So far the best explanation is said by someone in the other thread. I'm going to test some more. Anything I find will be shared in the other thread.

[jets]

is your sat 82W, TP 12530, set to TURBO 8PSK modulation, FEC 2/3, 21500, or is it DVB, 7/8, 20000?

[dryden]

to you know someone who have it ?...tried again to scan it ...but no result !!:no:

[ernie1946]

try scanning about 8:00 pm EDT tonight while games are on....

[nobodyspecial]

its a 24/7 channel not part of mlb extra innings
there is a thread on ot already
http://www.satfix.to/showthread.php?201019-82-degrees

[ernie1946]

to you know someone who have it ?...tried again to scan it ...but no result !!:no:

you have to wait til game time then scan..try at 8pm EDT and let us know they are UP

[ernie1946]

if you scan now you will only get a couple of them.so if you scan after 8 you will get more..hope this helps

[dryden]

mlb network IS A CHANNEL ...I HAVE ALL OF THOSE CHANNELS (EXTRA INNING




I have those channels already (have eleven of those) ...they are for extra innings....the one i talk before is mlb network...its a channel likie nhl network or nfl network who run 24/7....I CANT SCAN THIS CHANNEL ....

[jon doe]

Dryden is correct. This is not a timing issue like Sports package channels such as NHL center ice or MLB Extra Innings.
The issue is that it seems like FTA receivers cannot scan transponder 12530 V on 82w for whatever reason.

With sports package channels, you can still successfully scan the transponder but the channel will not scan in, unless you time it when it's active.

[jvvh5897]

Well, that is odd. I was wondering if it could be internal RFI. My TV and satellite box are right next to each other and when I have box on, my OTA ch3 is un-watchable--it is not a strong signal and analog (still). Many of these FTA boxes do generate lots of digital noise at RF frequencies and they could interfer with tuner inside the box I suppose.
I suppose that the code used to control the tuner chip is not quite correct for all the TP. I assume that the Broadcom chip used for FTA is the same used for prov box, so they should be able to do anything a prov box can.
Hum....I wonder if they could have modified the packets that the scan uses to find programs on the TP--the tuner would lock into TP but not find the channels on it. Hum...but if you don't get lock in the first place, then the turbo FEC might be the issue. I just took a look at the channel list of jynxbox udf and posted a dump of the channels I found and pulled out the TP and Sat data from it and as I recall the 82 degree sat showed a mix of standard TP and Turbo FEC as well as a mix of mpeg2 and mpeg4--it might be that they used an oddball mix of systems that your FTA boxes can't deal with. The thread was:
http://www.satfix.to/showthread.php?201175-changing-bev-channel-for-jynx-hd-v-30&p=1227109#post1227109
You might want to see if the channel is in the data I posted and maybe use the python code to pull out TP/Sat data from that box's udf.

[jon doe]

Some of what you said is over my head but here is what I can confirm.
The TP 12530 will not lock as you mentioned.
Some testing has been done away from any provider equipment (and also WIFI equipment) to try to eliminate interference.
82 does have a mix of TPs (standard and Turbo) but I think almost all of them are Turbo. TP 15 is missing and I think 14 or 16 is standard. All others are Turbo.
Other than 15(missing) and 22 (which is 12530) all other TP's scan in properly, including that one standard one.

I know none of this helps us get any further in explaining what's going on, but I'm just trying to make the testing facts more clear for smarter people than I to understand what has been tested so far.

Thank you!

[jvvh5897]

If you would like to try to test whether internal RFI might be the issue, try wrapping a sheet of aluminum foil between cardboard or plastic film just to make sure that the AL foil never contacts anything inside the box. Then hang the sheet between the tuner and the rest of the motherboard inside the cover of the box. Maybe a couple of tabs of cardboard that you tape to box cover. Might not do anything but restrict airflow inside the box, but might do something else.

That old udf file that I looked at had the following info for 82 degree 12530:

00 00 80 01 28 dc 0a 02 00 01 08 f2 2b f2 2b 32 00 00 10 00 08 f2 2b f2 2b 00 00
24 82 degrees, sw setting = 50 Nimiq 4

00 58 80 01 0d f2 30 fc 53 20 10 00 00 7a 00 01 01
22 24 12530 21500 Turbo FEC mpeg4 V

01 58 80 --starting three bytes of ch entry
goes to 0d 58 80
so 14 channels--all HD

BUT none of them are MLB Extra innings--I see those on other TP. I might check the James Uplink site to see if it shows any on TP22 82 degrees--though I'm not sure if that is a satellite on that list.

[jvvh5897]

No data for 82 at uplink. Did find a list at satbeams, but it was from 2009.

[jon doe]

Just to be clear, the channel of interest by someone else earlier in this thread is MLB Network which is different than Extra Innings (SID 1420). As you already mentioned there are also other channels on that TP. My focus is only to find out why it wont scan.
For a list of current channels on this TP, someone could go look at the BellSRDU site. hxxp://bellsrdu.ca/en/sales_channel_lp.php

Thank for for all the info! When I have some extra time, I will definitely fool around with some of your suggestions.