SATSCAMS EMAIL... wrong info on it...

[notaniksuser]

New account... old member.

I received received an email about a Nagrastar settlement. The name on top as correct, but the physical address was an old work address so nothing was received by CMRRR. Also, the "evidence" listed only 1 item and the date and transaction ID don't matchup with anything. If I go back 4 yeasr I can find a match for the amount which "could" be related. The date on the listed evidence is over 3 years old.

I've read through pages and pages of info but not sure how to proceed consider the info isn't correct.

Should I contact them to see if they have more evidence? Should I wait since the evidence is possibly not correct?

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

Well there is no right answer other than to speak to a lawyer. My layman opinion since you receive the letter by email and not by registered mail I would not reply to it nor contact them. If you contact them the first question they could ask would be for the current address. Also if you call block out you phone number as if they get it than they can reverse it.


You should check in your state if email is an acceptable valid notice. Most likely it is not but if you reply to the email you would be than be putting yourself in a position of confirming you receive it and read it which might than apply as being valid.


I don't normally advise ignoring notices but for notices by email I would ignore it but I am not a lawyer.




GS2

[MarvinGardens]

There really is no way for a sender to be 100 percent sure that a recipient has received an email.

I suspect that the email you received is an offer by DN to settle a controversy before they take you to court. If that's what the email is all about it is simply an informal curtesy communication. DN is under no obligation to keep that settlement offer open. So if they decide to track down your whereabouts and formally serve you the amount to settle will go up.

If you decide to respond you should let an attorney respond on your behalf.

[dishuser]

There really is no way for a sender to be 100 percent sure that a recipient has received an email.

I suspect that the email you received is an offer by DN to settle a controversy before they take you to court. If that's what the email is all about it is simply an informal curtesy communication. DN is under no obligation to keep that settlement offer open. So if they decide to track down your whereabouts and formally serve you the amount to settle will go up.

If you decide to respond you should let an attorney respond on your behalf.
I thought it was a 3 year time limit?

[c8rbk1ng]

I thought it was a 3 year time limit?

Different statute of limitations in different states, need to look it up on a per state basis. If he responds, that's considered a communication and the time limit will start all over.

[MarvinGardens]

I thought it was a 3 year time limit?

The time limit begins to run when DN discovers evidence leading to the identity the IKS subscriber.

[MarvinGardens]

Different statute of limitations in different states, need to look it up on a per state basis. If he responds, that's considered a communication and the time limit will start all over.

Incorrect. The DMCA is federal law and cases will be litigated in federal court. State law does not apply.

[c8rbk1ng]

Incorrect. The DMCA is federal law and cases will be litigated in federal court. State law does not apply.

Maybe your perception but I actually went through this and was not in Federal Court but State Court...maybe that's why I won :)

[MarvinGardens]

Maybe your conception but I actually went through this and was not in Federal Court but State Court...maybe that's why I won :)

LOL. It's not my conception.

[c8rbk1ng]

LOL. It's not my conception.

Glad you "got" the intended joke :)

[mechanicman]

I have some new information on the demand letters. Seems like once a reseller is busted and has his records seized then basically anyone who bought from him will also receive letters..
The thing is that i have see with my own eyes a person who received the same satscams email showing the correct transactions..but the transactions had nothing to do with rocket or nfps (this person never purchased iks from the reseller) but with iptv from ipguys.... and the email only mentions nfps and rocket iks.....so basically many times they must be fishing...

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

I have some new information on the demand letters. Seems like once a reseller is busted and has his records seized then basically anyone who bought from him will also receive letters..
The thing is that i have see with my own eyes a person who received the same satscams email showing the correct transactions..but the transactions had nothing to do with rocket or nfps (this person never purchased iks from the reseller) but with iptv from ipguys.... and the email only mentions nfps and rocket iks.....so basically many times they must be fishing...




I don't think that is new information. In fact that concept first stated with Dave quite some time ago around 2002. They received end user information from either law enforcement busts of dealers or from Civil lawsuits of dealers. They sent out about 10,000 end user demand letters and than filled lawsuit against ones who did not settle.


However back than some end users won their cases while most lost. in those lawsuits it was about devices you bought. Some were able to argue that the devices bought had some legal uses plus a Court ruled that Dave has no civil right of action against those who simply possess pirate devices in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 2512. That only applied to 18 U.S.C. § 2512 not allegations of other violations pertaining to other laws like the DMCA. I don't think they allege infractions of 18 U.S.C. § 2512 anymore.


With obtaining codes for IKS you really don't have any legal argument of obtaining them for some legal use.



GS2

[Benney]

I have a fishing trip lined up for next month but won't be going because the fish have learned not to bite.

[Dells]

I have a fishing trip lined up for next month but won't be going because the fish have learned not to bite.

Remember the OP is "notaniksuser" lol

Perhaps you're using the wrong bait? Have you tried rats? They seem to work sometimes, however it's more than a fish can get in it's mouth.

[nlsal]

Any update on your situation?

[denden]

3 years is right for most states for civil. For criminal is 5 years. The FBI follows State laws unless you are sued by the FBI itself. Looks like most is from when the fraction accrued. So if fraction happen over 3 years ago I would say they are fishing. Whoever would respond to a site that goes by the name satscams just not right to me. The name itself is really fishy.

[nob0dy]

3 years is right for most states for civil. For criminal is 5 years. The FBI follows State laws unless you are sued by the FBI itself. Looks like most is from when the fraction accrued. So if fraction happen over 3 years ago I would say they are fishing. Whoever would respond to a site that goes by the name satscams just not right to me. The name itself is really fishy.

you sound like a narc ......playing dumb ........ I C you just joined today ..........

[c8rbk1ng]

you sound like a narc ......playing dumb ........ I C you just joined today ..........

He's not anything to do with law enforcement. They would know that it's an infraction and when it occurred. :)

[dishuser]

3 years is right for most states for civil. For criminal is 5 years. The FBI follows State laws unless you are sued by the FBI itself. Looks like most is from when the fraction accrued. So if fraction happen over 3 years ago I would say they are fishing. Whoever would respond to a site that goes by the name satscams just not right to me. The name itself is really fishy.
you know all that but don't know that domain name has been around for over a decade?lol

[johnnylarue]

you know all that but don't know that domain name has been around for over a decade?lol

satscams used to be the legit site that you'd go to , to find out who the scammers were, and what dealers had been nailed. They might have been around since near the end of the HU days. nagra took them over in the late 2000's.

[c8rbk1ng]

satscams used to be the legit site that you'd go to , to find out who the scammers were, and what dealers had been nailed. They might have been around since near the end of the HU days. nagra took them over in the late 2000's.

There weren't any "dealers" in the card era, when this was still a hobby. The money hungry "dealers" appeared when Tarnovsky leaked/sold the info which enabled FTA receivers to have multiple providers on one unit. IKS, while hailed as a great step forward, was the catalyst for the legit providers to turn up the heat and start going after these "services/dealers" and their end users.

[pasor497]

I would ignore the letter, if they send you another one certified mail don't pick up until the post office send it back.

[johnnylarue]

There weren't any "dealers" in the card era, when this was still a hobby. The money hungry "dealers" appeared when Tarnovsky leaked/sold the info which enabled FTA receivers to have multiple providers on one unit. IKS, while hailed as a great step forward, was the catalyst for the legit providers to turn up the heat and start going after these "services/dealers" and their end users.

There were not any dealers in the card era? Are you for real? There were websites and hundreds of stores in Canada selling OEM equipment and cards. I was walking into dealer shops as early as 1996.

[dishuser]

satscams used to be the legit site that you'd go to , to find out who the scammers were, and what dealers had been nailed. They might have been around since near the end of the HU days. nagra took them over in the late 2000's.

really?
thanx for letting me know jer got busted and turned over the domain:rolleyes:

[dishuser]

There weren't any "dealers" in the card era, when this was still a hobby. The money hungry "dealers" appeared when Tarnovsky leaked/sold the info which enabled FTA receivers to have multiple providers on one unit. IKS, while hailed as a great step forward, was the catalyst for the legit providers to turn up the heat and start going after these "services/dealers" and their end users.
if there were no dealers where were people getting their loaders,avr's,atmega's etc then?
here's a fun fact
the dealers were the first to start sat sites/forums
and there were multiple dealers busted in 2005 long before iks
but what do I know...lol

[johnnylarue]

really?
thanx for letting me know jer got busted and turned over the domain:rolleyes:

I was not letting you know, but some some of the younger crowd might not remember when SS was a nice site. :)

[dishuser]

I was not letting you know, but some some of the younger crowd might not remember when SS was a nice site. :)
well you quoted me
and royce's site had the better info not jer's
jer got tied into coolsat...nice scam info site...lol

[c8rbk1ng]

There were not any dealers in the card era? Are you for real? There were websites and hundreds of stores in Canada selling OEM equipment and cards. I was walking into dealer shops as early as 1996.

I'm not talking retail dealers, I'm talking dealers selling "services" and channels. And yes, I'm for real! I've been in this hobby since day one when you had to be invited to join the underground websites. There is very little that I haven't seen or been a part of in this hobby.

[c8rbk1ng]

if there were no dealers where were people getting their loaders,avr's,atmega's etc then?
here's a fun fact
the dealers were the first to start sat sites/forums
and there were multiple dealers busted in 2005 long before iks
but what do I know...lol

Ok, I was talking about dealers selling services, not retail dealers selling equipment. We weren't on the same page. I probably should have clarified that.

[denden]

3 years is right for most states for civil. For criminal is 5 years. The FBI follows State laws unless you are sued by the FBI itself. Looks like most is from when the fraction accrued. So if fraction happen over 3 years ago I would say they are fishing. Whoever would respond to a site that goes by the name satscams just not right to me. The name itself is really fishy.

Seems after some reading the Statue of Limitation starts when according to dish that it starts when they find out. Seems this is kinda of a gray area also. Also read otherwise too. LOL Back to reading more. We know the internet is never wrong.

[c8rbk1ng]

Seems after some reading the Statue of Limitation starts when according to dish that it starts when they find out. Seems this is kinda of a gray area also. Also read otherwise too. LOL Back to reading more. We know the internet is never wrong.

Or when you acknowledge the accusation if it's later than the info they have. That's why you should never contact them even if it's to dispute the accusation.

[DISHNUT]

I received 2 registered letters and refused them then they sent a regular letter opened it looked a contents and returned to sender. It was a complaint that I used a credit card to buy service. That was over a year ago they have not contacted me since. Know 2 others that did the same. they are trying to get money out of consumers now and in our case is not working.

[nob0dy]

I received 2 registered letters and refused them then they sent a regular letter opened it looked a contents and returned to sender. It was a complaint that I used a credit card to buy service. That was over a year ago they have not contacted me since. Know 2 others that did the same. they are trying to get money out of consumers now and in our case is not working.

ok ....... & ? you a narc <>< ing ............. ?

[DISHNUT]

ok ....... & ? you a narc <>< ing ............. ?

NO I AM A DISHNUT. Love to HACK satellite systems it is fun. Using a credit card got me under radar. I have a radar shield that can hid behind.

[dishuser]

NO I AM A DISHNUT. Love to HACK satellite systems it is fun. Using a credit card got me under radar. I have a radar shield that can hid behind.

so you hacked nagra and/or nagra 2?

[johnnynothumbs]

is it me or is the sketchy as heck?

[johnnynothumbs]

so you hacked nagra and/or nagra 2?

ya I doubt he does if he did there is no way he would release it without getting nailed...that's what the feds are waiting for somebody to expose themselves

[DISHNUT]

My sonicview 8000 hd fta is working again on charley. I have so much tv hard to decided what to watch. Have my own home made cable tv system. Listening to Music Choice at the moment and tonight studio feed DWTS on "C" band.

Sky is the limit.

[Ric]

My sonicview 8000 hd fta is working again on charley. I have so much tv hard to decided what to watch. Have my own home made cable tv system. Listening to Music Choice at the moment and tonight studio feed DWTS on "C" band.

Sky is the limit.

thanks for sharing ...........:yeaah:

[dishuser]

and I never knew you could hack sat with a credit card :innocent:

[Ric]

and I never knew you could hack sat with a credit card :innocent:

maybe a door with a cheap lock ........ eg: below ....... other then that i have no F n clue what they're implying lol ;D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC9n-0GAhRQ

then once your in the house with satellite " after you do a home invasion " ....... turn on the STB of w/e satellite/TV/ISP ect

then you sit down on the couch & press the on button For the TV ..... you've just hacked in using a credit card LMFAO !!!!!!!

:tehe:

[spike52]

Total nonsense

[Gabacho]

By the way the credit card works with the door know lock but not with the dead bolt.

[Ric]

By the way the credit card works with the door know lock but not with the dead bolt.

yes it does my friend..... go to see you sir ..... ;D