General question in reguards to iks (dishnetwork N3)

[porra]

hey guys if I posted in wrong place please move mods, anyways with iks here since around 2008 when n3 was implemented and ecms as we all know I have heard from word of mouth and also found on the internet to confirm it that iks, (nfps, iks rocket etc and boxes like sv8000 nfhd etc) will not work come March 2015 because dn is changing to a new system called anycast? so n4? is there any truth to this? is it for sure come March 2015 we will be all blackscreen for good this time? if any mods and members know dealers etc underground info or any info that says is done post a reply I just want know if I should start going a diff route come February Thanks

[Glatt]

Don't think that that will happen by then but one solution seems to be IPTV!!

[jb26]

hey guys if I posted in wrong place please move mods, anyways with iks here since around 2008 when n3 was implemented and ecms as we all know I have heard from word of mouth and also found on the internet to confirm it that iks, (nfps, iks rocket etc and boxes like sv8000 nfhd etc) will not work come March 2015 because dn is changing to a new system called anycast? so n4? is there any truth to this? is it for sure come March 2015 we will be all blackscreen for good this time? if any mods and members know dealers etc underground info or any info that says is done post a reply I just want know if I should start going a diff route come February Thanks


This needs to be moved to the rumors section. This is completely unfounded. I personally believe this to be absolutely false. First of all, what about all the legacy receivers out there with legacy cards? Any kind of change would take a long time to migrate.

Of course DN has been experimenting with some significant changes in the stream that render existing card servers useless, but I'm pretty sure that's being worked on, and I hope updated software is released once DN pulls the trigger on that.

[whoknows]

In 1986 my neighbour told me that come the following spring the providers were going to scramble all the channels so we couldn't pirate them anymore. That was almost 30 years ago.
If interested there is another thread on this same topic about any cast.
good luck

[Anubis]

Moved to appropriate section.

[teamwork000]

I believe this is what he heard about...

12.09.2014PDF // EN / FR / DE / ITDISH and NAGRA redefine pay TV content security with launch of NAGRA anyCAST COMMAND Biggest fundamental change in content security technology since the launch of digital TV in the 1990s
Innovative new security client secures CAS and video descrambling in a single device, thereby preventing new forms of piracy and paving the way for ultra-secure 4K services
EchoStar Technologies will be first to integrate anyCAST COMMAND
Amsterdam, The Netherlands – September 12, 2014 – NAGRA, the digital TV division of the Kudelski Group (SIX:KUD.S) and the world's leading independent provider of content protection and multiscreen television solutions, today announced that DISH Network L.L.C will be the first customer to deploy NAGRA anyCAST COMMAND, NAGRA’s revolutionary new security technology that defeats popular forms of piracy like control word sharing and paves the way for ultra-secure 4K services. The new technology is being developed in close cooperation with EchoStar Technologies L.L.C. (“EchoStar”), a wholly-owned subsidiary of EchoStar Corporation, which will be the first set-top box partner to integrate the new technology into its boxes.
anyCAST COMMAND, part of NAGRA’s comprehensive new anyCAST Security Services Platform, changes the paradigm for content security by concentrating both decryption and descrambling into a single, secure NAGRA device. Since the launch of digital TV in the 1990’s, these functions have occurred in two separate devices, namely the Conditional Access vendor’s smart card and the set-top box chipset. This separation of key security elements has led in recent years to new forms of piracy like Control Word Sharing (CWS) that have had a significant negative impact on pay-TV service providers. The unification of decryption and descrambling into a single piece of silicon produced by a security expert like NAGRA not only exponentially increases the security of the CAS system, but also simplifies integration by reducing much of the STB testing and certification that was required when these two elements were separated.
“With this introduction of anyCAST COMMAND at DISH, EchoStar and NAGRA take the decisive lead in providing the highest level of end-to-end content security available on the market today,” said Maurice van Riek, senior vice president, head of content and asset security for NAGRA. “To date, the fight against Control Word Sharing has been a cat-and-mouse game with global pirate networks, which are increasingly sophisticated in their operations. NAGRA’s new approach takes full ownership and responsibility for content security within a single architecture in order to deliver a definitive knock-out punch to this type of piracy by protecting the Control Word by design.”
"As one of the leading pay-TV providers in the world, we constantly look to protect our content and network,” said Vivek Khemka, senior vice president, product management, DISH. “That’s why we decided – as part of our partnership with EchoStar and NAGRA – to deploy a radically different kind of technology, anyCAST COMMAND, to help protect our service and revenues.”
anyCAST COMMAND, in addition to eliminating CWS, will ensure pay-TV service providers are prepared for a potential future launch of 4K-UltraHD services by supporting a variety of different watermarking schemes, a key requirement of the MovieLabs Enhanced Content Protection specification for 4K VOD services. It will also be available in different form factors, including smart card, STB companion chip and others.
NAGRA will deliver anyCAST COMMAND to EchoStar and DISH in the first quarter of 2015, after which time the product will be available to other NAGRA customers.
For more information about NAGRA anyCAST solutions, please visit NAGRA IBC booth 1. C81.
About NAGRA
NAGRA, a digital TV division of the Kudelski Group (SIX:KUD.S), provides security and multiscreen user experience solutions for the monetization of digital media. It offers content providers and DTV operators worldwide with secure, open, integrated platforms and applications over broadcast, broadband and mobile platforms, enabling compelling and personalized viewing experiences. Please visit dtv.nagra.com for more information and follow us on Twitter

[brandy1]

Just wondering why if dishnet goes down,why we can't get direct tv!

[whoknows]

Just wondering why if dishnet goes down,why we can't get direct tv!

Let us know when you have made an IKS file for a few different boxes. That should keep yu busy for a bit. Then we have to find people stupid enough to do the key sharing. Good luck

[steven charles]

Just wondering why if dishnet goes down,why we can't get direct tv!friend I guess you didn,t know that directv was sueding the heck of everybody back then,even for thinking about them....

[jvvh5897]

The theory I've always heard for no IKS for DTV is that they change the CWs every 5 seconds or so and IKS really can't do that well at the rate needed. I bet if the key sharing was local rather than across lots of routers that it could keep up and the odds of DTV hearing about it would be much lower. But IKS is risky regardless of prov.

As for setting up boxes to do DTV as IKS, many older STB do have the hardware but there are lots of problems with trying the streams. Little is known about the guide data called APG, lots was known about the now shut off MPG guide though. The stream is not the standard DVB-S but similar enough that a PC PCI card program could on-the-fly convert the video and audio channels to DVB-S format for standard play programs to handle. The streams do not have standard NIT, EIT, CAT, PMT type structures so with little info on how that info is in the APG you have to fake channel lists. Now, lots of the problems go away if you use DTV boxes, but that requires you to reverse engineer their code and not a lot of work has been shown for that other than my project to get the old drd420 boxes to run again.

[grub]

The theory I've always heard for no IKS for DTV is that they change the CWs every 5 seconds or so and IKS really can't do that well at the rate needed. I bet if the key sharing was local rather than across lots of routers that it could keep up and the odds of DTV hearing about it would be much lower. But IKS is risky regardless of prov.

As for setting up boxes to do DTV as IKS, many older STB do have the hardware but there are lots of problems with trying the streams. Little is known about the guide data called APG, lots was known about the now shut off MPG guide though. The stream is not the standard DVB-S but similar enough that a PC PCI card program could on-the-fly convert the video and audio channels to DVB-S format for standard play programs to handle. The streams do not have standard NIT, EIT, CAT, PMT type structures so with little info on how that info is in the APG you have to fake channel lists. Now, lots of the problems go away if you use DTV boxes, but that requires you to reverse engineer their code and not a lot of work has been shown for that other than my project to get the old drd420 boxes to run again.

Very good response jvvh This is the type of response that helps to educate members.
We who have some knowledge of the hobby should be patient with the ones that doesnt.
Insults and sarcasm does not help

[dvp99999ca]

So I guess once nagra receives the new receivers and dish gives it to there existing customers iks has what another year tops? Because it will take a while to swap out all those receivers no?