Differences in IKS/Cardsharing between Europe and North America

[Nanochickin]

I have been reading things on this forum with great interest. Things do appear to be done differently in North America to what we have in Europe. Mostly we have several encryptions and a huge amount of providers, some who have secure cards other that don't.

IKS (Payserver) is frowned upon in Europe as most people in the hobby will share their local card with somebody else's local card in order to access another provider with no money exchanging hands. Payservers are probably the main reason why so many providers are now going black in Europe. I fully understand why IKS is used in North America, due to the limited amount of providers plus its not that easy to extract the required Boxkey and RSAkey in order to use the card outside the original providers receiver.

The hobby started within Europe with most people using linux based receivers using the gBox emu, support dried up with gBox and it was steadily replaced by CCCam and then by OSCam (Open Source). Most people in Europe still use either CCCam or OSCam.

The most widely used encryptions in place in Europe are NDS (CISCO) , Nagravision (Kudelski), Conax (Kudelski), Seca (Mediaguard) and Viaccess (Orange S.A).

There are other more obscure ones like Betacrypt, Bulcrypt, Cryptoworks, although most providers are now turning to NDS. Virtually every Satellite and Cable TV package in Europe, Scandinavia and Eastern Europe were wide open on cardshare, or just using Keys at some point in the last 5 years. There was a huge amount open on Keys, some providers like TPS - France bit the dust others changed encryption. We also still have a lot of stuff that is soft-encrypted using Control words (BISS Encryption)

NDS is probably the most successful one at stopping Cardshare at this moment in time. In the last few months we have lost all HD content on Sky UK and Sky Italia, were expecting Sky Germany to be next once they phase out all their Nagra and Betacrypt cards.

All users in Europe completely lost Dolce (Romania) and Total TV (Serbia) a few years ago due to a new card pairing algorithm . Both were fantastic packages.
OTE Greece and Viacom (Bulgaria) have never been available on CS for the same reason.


The most un secure encryptions in Europe would probably be Nagravision and Viaccess. When Nagra 3 came out Kudelski were stating that it couldn't be shared. It took the coders in Europe about 2 weeks before all Nagra 3 encrypted channels came back on through CS :D

Learning how things work on your side of the pond is definitely going to be interesting.

Nano

[Anubis]

Interesting read.
Thanks for sharing that with us.

[Costactc]

There have been several ways over the years from what I can remember. Programmable cards for dtv and atmega 28 cards for bev and key sharing. Once nagravision 2 was being used it only took the coders a couple of weeks before stand alone bin files were available for both dn and bev, those were great years. In the meantime, iks was just starting to be used as well. I am definitely not an expert on these things but iks seems to be the way to go. I personally, receive most of my programming via true fta especially on c band.

[Nanochickin]

Can anyone tell me what seems to be the main EMU used with IKS in North America these days?

Over in Europe most IKS pay servers are now either CPS (Card Server Proxy) or Multics (Multi Card Share) which both keep ecms in cache memory until a client box asks for them thus reducing requests going to the card.

CCCam, OSCam and MGCamd are the preferred client emus. Will IKS work with Linux Enigma based boxes like the Dreambox DM800Se and Gigablue HD800Se.


Nano

[Costactc]

Can anyone tell me what seems to be the main EMU used with IKS in North America these days?

Over in Europe most IKS pay servers are now either CPS (Card Server Proxy) or Multics (Multi Card Share) which both keep ecms in cache memory until a client box asks for them thus reducing requests going to the card.

CCCam, OSCam and MGCamd are the preferred client emus. Will IKS work with Linux Enigma based boxes like the Dreambox DM800Se and Gigablue HD800Se.


Nano


Newcam/Mgcam as des keys are required.

[jvvh5897]

AFAIK, the IKS servers are not using EMU at all. EMU is short for card emulation--you use other processors and other code to reproduce what a card does. IKS actually uses a card and while the card is fed with information in a different fashion that a box would in most ways it is the same, you might say that it is box emulation rather than card emulation but that is splitting hairs in a way that is not needed.

[Nanochickin]

It is more or less the same as cardsharing in Europe by the looks of it.

You have to have some sort of client emu to make use of the keys sent by the server.

For example if I have a subscriber card in my main box running OSCam which acts as both server and client, it allows viewing of the card on that receiver and also feeds the other 4 client boxes in the house in the same way as IKS. The card is read by oscam which then shares the keys to the other boxes in the house which will be running either oscam or cccam dependent on what ever chipset the box has. I have to use oscam in the SH4 cpu based boxes (e.g Amiko Alien 2) as cccam was never compiled to run on them. cccam is mostly used on Broadcom MIPS based boxes (e.g DM800Se) or PPC Based (e.g DM500s ) boxes. Oscam and cccam can run as either a server or client, where as MGCamd is a client only emu. OSCam can also decode two streams at the same time, so you can watch one encrypted stream whilst recording another.

I am guessing that the main IKS server will be run along the same lines as a Multics or CSP server with the client boxes running some sort of emu like mgcamd to interpret the keys in order to allow you to view a program.

The beauty of using OSCam on an Enigma 2 box is that there isn't many emus that it can't interact with, infact it can interact with several at the same time and will quite happily jump seamlessly between several servers with out glitching. from what i can make out most of the receivers used in NA are pretty much similar to the Skybox F5 we have in Europe which emulates either cccam or mgcamd protocols.

A typical C line would look something like this

C: iksserver.com 12345 clientbox pass123

Cccam protocol DNS Address port no. username password

A typical Newcs/mgcamd line would look like this

N: iksserver.com 12345 clientbox pass12301 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14

NewCS protocol DNS Address port no. username password DES Key

Nano

[ro_54]

I can use Amiko Alien 1 with iks on NA providers on spark & e2, but no HD channels encrypted with turbofec.

[pastorebo]

I understand the card sharing part. But let me no if I'm wrong. I just don't get why all the dn channels aren't available. We use to get a lot more in the past.

[Nanochickin]

I can use Amiko Alien 1 with iks on NA providers on spark & e2, but no HD channels encrypted with turbofec.

What does the line that you are given look like. At least with that i will know which protocol is in use.

Turbo FEC is something that appears to be only used on your side of the pond. All of our HD channels in Europe are broadcast in DVB-S2 MPEG4. It looks like Dish have basically used another broadcast format in using TurboFEC. I do believe the Jynxbox can decode TurboFec encoded channels with the right addon tuner.

Losing HD is not only happening in NA. We haven't had HD channels from Sky or Sky Italia for quite a few months, although thats been done by encrypted hardware pairing of the card and receiver. Even when you dump the receivers eprom chips you still cannot get the boxkey easily as its encrypted.

Nano

[Costactc]

I understand the card sharing part. But let me no if I'm wrong. I just don't get why all the dn channels aren't available. We use to get a lot more in the past.

It all seems to have started with the advent of nag3. A good example are the adult channels on bev which have not been open since the bin file days although other channels are. Seems to be an extra layer of encryption on top of the usual.

[dishuser]

It all seems to have started with the advent of nag3. A good example are the adult channels on bev which have not been open since the bin file days although other channels are. Seems to be an extra layer of encryption on top of the usual.
it's called a sub
and to sub to those channels can be very expensive
no tier hack available

[ro_54]

What does the line that you are given look like. At least with that i will know which protocol is in use.

Turbo FEC is something that appears to be only used on your side of the pond. All of our HD channels in Europe are broadcast in DVB-S2 MPEG4. It looks like Dish have basically used another broadcast format in using TurboFEC. I do believe the Jynxbox can decode TurboFec encoded channels with the right addon tuner.

Losing HD is not only happening in NA. We haven't had HD channels from Sky or Sky Italia for quite a few months, although thats been done by encrypted hardware pairing of the card and receiver. Even when you dump the receivers eprom chips you still cannot get the boxkey easily as its encrypted.

Nano
For e2 I entered all info from private$ here:
in ccamd.list: C: server_address port username password
in newcamd.list:CWS = 192.168.1.2 20000:20005 dummy dummy 10 02 13 04 15 06 17 08 01 10 11 12 13 14
For Spark I entered all info from private$ in spcs.reader and turned it on, and cccamd.list & newcamd.list

[Nanochickin]

OK so it looks like its they use CCCam and NewCS protocols.

Looks like all the receivers that i have will be OK in NA.

Nano

[Costactc]

OK so it looks like its they use CCCam and NewCS protocols.

Looks like all the receivers that i have will be OK in NA.

Nano

You will only pull in sd channels unless you have a turbo 8psk module. I don't think the receivers in your sig would be compatible with that type of module.

[Nanochickin]

I can buy new ones :helpsmilie:

Just have to get to the other side of the pond first, although to be honest i will probably go legit to start with.

I get bored very easilly, so i do have a tendency to replace my receivers quite often. The only reason i have an Alien2 was to prove to myself they were still crap, and yes they are still crap :tehe: