ip addresses

[BIGPAPI1]

i read on another site to beware of using nfps and rocket as dn and nagra has acquired the users ip addresses looks like their users may be in trouble again i hope not

[sodusme]

i read on another site to beware of using nfps and rocket as dn and nagra has acquired the users ip addresses looks like their users may be in trouble again i hope not

Hmm they would have to have gained access to a server to do that. Plus the server would have to be maintaining logs and I don't know if its set up to log i.p.'s or not? Also the servers would have to have went down as DN/Nagra is not going to leave up a server they have gained access to just to "log" i.p.'s they would shut it down immediately and gather what evidence they could.

[missclinton]

Hmm they would have to have gained access to a server to do that. Plus the server would have to be maintaining logs and I don't know if its set up to log i.p.'s or not? Also the servers would have to have went down as DN/Nagra is not going to leave up a server they have gained access to just to "log" i.p.'s they would shut it down immediately and gather what evidence they could.

right and, ips arent the end all be all to prove "you" connected, they would still need the cooperation of your ISP's logs to connect all dots PLUS no way a server overseas will ever be seized simply b/c they sharing cards (this would have been done long time ago... that's what keeps this iks well oiled machine chugging right along...theyre better off concentrating on those scary letters OR up the reward and MAYBE an insider would help..still, good luck with THAT.. ;)

[clarkBENT]

An IP connecting to a server could be for a myriad of reasons. Pinging, DNS request, HTTP get request, sending/receiving mail, etc. Unfortunately, the IKS servers do have to log connections to ensure that that one account isn't being logged in from multiple receivers (beyond the connection limit). Hopefully, they logrotate that log everyday. Even if not, a connection to a server could have been so much as someone testing server uptime with NOI or IKS4SUNS.

[missclinton]

An IP connecting to a server could be for a myriad of reasons. Pinging, DNS request, HTTP get request, sending/receiving mail, etc. Unfortunately, the IKS servers do have to log connections to ensure that that one account isn't being logged in from multiple receivers (beyond the connection limit). Hopefully, they logrotate that log everyday. Even if not, a connection to a server could have been so much as someone testing server uptime with NOI or IKS4SUNS.

and the beauty is, they wouldnt be able to tell which proggy a user is/was using to connect to a server and what your end goal was ie: ilink, NOI etc etc..ip logs mean squat

[sodusme]

right and, ips arent the end all be all to prove "you" connected, they would still need the cooperation of your ISP's logs to connect all dots PLUS no way a server overseas will ever be seized simply b/c they sharing cards (this would have been done long time ago... that's what keeps this iks well oiled machine chugging right along...theyre better off concentrating on those scary letters OR up the reward and MAYBE an insider would help..still, good luck with THAT.. ;)

Absolutely true there have been many, many rulings on the fact that an i.p. doesn't equate to an individual. In these times of WI-FI leeching any and all encryption including WPA2 can be circumvented with the right knowledge.

[clarkBENT]

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/07/judge-copyright-troll-cant-bully-internet-subscriber-bogus-legal-theory

"Merely providing a tool, like Internet access, that is used for infringement doesn't put you at fault if, as here, the tool is "capable of substantial noninfringing uses." Also, in many cases, the provider will be protected by the DMCA's safe harbors."


Absolutely true there have been many, many rulings on the fact that an i.p. doesn't equate to an individual. In these times of WI-FI leeching any and all encryption including WPA2 can be circumvented with the right knowledge.

[sodusme]

Also expressed here:


http://techland.time.com/2012/05/07/you-are-not-an-ip-address-rules-judge/

and here:


http://torrentfreak.com/ip-address-cant-even-identify-a-state-bittorrent-judge-rules-120515/

[SpaceCowboy]

This Old Man not only admires all you LITERATIES but also get confused with the IKS LINGO..:tehe:
No wonder many of our Members and I, in front of TV and trying to figure out which IP we should use and when to reboot etc...

I am glad that YOU GUYS behind the scene know what is going on. All I can say GOD SPEED to you all and KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

[missclinton]

This Old Man not only admires all you LITERATIES but also get confused with the IKS LINGO..:tehe:
No wonder many of our Members and I, in front of TV and trying to figure out which IP we should use and when to reboot etc...

I am glad that YOU GUYS behind the scene know what is going on. All I can say GOD SPEED to you all and KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

the dickens you say? :)

[anyonomus]

If they did acquire the ips and they in fact could use them in litigation.. It would already be too late to worry about still using the server.... jmho..

[es335]

so avoid NFPS and Rocket? Im looking at services.

[anyonomus]

so avoid NFPS and Rocket? Im looking at services.

The members out loud voice is saying stay away from any server that is based in North America .. As I don't do IKS .. I can't answer that question.. The rest is between u and the other party. Ask them where it is based and do a search on the IP .. Then u will know yourself. Also make sure u look and see what discussion forum this thread is in.. RUMORS in case u missed it..

[PremiereElite]

Lol rumors is it ..because the IP for NFPS is not of the USA.. its offshore ;) now thats a fact!

[sodusme]

The members out loud voice is saying stay away from any server that is based in North America .. As I don't do IKS .. I can't answer that question.. The rest is between u and the other party. Ask them where it is based and do a search on the IP .. Then u will know yourself. Also make sure u look and see what discussion forum this thread is in.. RUMORS in case u missed it..

Having an i.p. outside the U.S. is not enough. I'm also not saying to stay away from NFPS or Rocket but just the fact they are using domain names: 1.nfpsserver.tv that end in .TV that puts them on a TLD (Top Level Domain) that is still reachable by U.S. authorities. Doesn't matter where the i.p. is from or what country its based in, what matters is that TLD.


Lol rumors is it ..because the IP for NFPS is not of the USA.. its offshore ;) now thats a fact!

Doesn't matter.


http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/feds-seize-foreign-sites/


The government, Navas said, usually serves court-ordered seizures on VeriSign, which manages domains ending in .com, .net, .cc, .tv and .name, because “foreign-based registrars are not bound to comply with U.S. court orders.”

[jb26]

But I'm assuming that means they can seize the domain name...not the actual server itself? Of course I think it would be best to use an IP address rather than domain name, lest the domain name get seized and redirected to a honeypot.

[sodusme]

But I'm assuming that means they can seize the domain name...not the actual server itself? Of course I think it would be best to use an IP address rather than domain name, lest the domain name get seized and redirected to a honeypot.

Hmm that's a very good question and I'm not sure to be honest.

I mean its basically the government seizing domain names of sites at this point that deal with counterfeit goods and DMCA take downs and so forth. Any sites I have seen that have been seized now display a property of ICE splash screen. I would not rule out that a major player like DN/Nagra could at some point call this play into action but I have not witnessed it.

But now being that domain name ultimately resolves you to an i.p. that obviously provides the IKS service I'm not so certain of just what type of information could be gained from seizing that domain? I know its not something I would wanna gamble on as to what information could be collected. The real concern I can see is the nature of that domain. Its not like a "regular" domain in that it doesn't resolve to a URL that is reachable from a browser. It provides connectivity at some point to an i.p. that is providing control words. From the looks of things there is a VPS (Virtual Private Server) in Lithuania providing the hosting and resulting name service.

But you are absolutely correct in that that domain could be redirected at any point to any i.p. and an end user would really never know.

[Le_Gnome]

Don't forget the crap that went on with the ftaforall internet address being taken by the authorities last year. It applied to the IP and the various domain names. Searches just went to a blank page.

[dishuser]

But I'm assuming that means they can seize the domain name...not the actual server itself? Of course I think it would be best to use an IP address rather than domain name, lest the domain name get seized and redirected to a honeypot.

servers can be seized
even ones in malaysia

[kijiji]

Don't forget the crap that went on with the ftaforall internet address being taken by the authorities last year. It applied to the IP and the various domain names. Searches just went to a blank page.

Nice to see you again Le_Gnome merry christmas.

[Le_Gnome]

Still quietly around, Merry Christmas to you also!

[alex70olds]

Nice to see you again Le_Gnome merry christmas.

Ditto. Same here.

[ShotGun]

I like to think in a city someone using a parabolic reflector to reach,,,, distances then,,,,,,, well you do the math!

[missclinton]

Hmm that's a very good question and I'm not sure to be honest.

I mean its basically the government seizing domain names of sites at this point that deal with counterfeit goods and DMCA take downs and so forth. Any sites I have seen that have been seized now display a property of ICE splash screen. I would not rule out that a major player like DN/Nagra could at some point call this play into action but I have not witnessed it.

But now being that domain name ultimately resolves you to an i.p. that obviously provides the IKS service I'm not so certain of just what type of information could be gained from seizing that domain? I know its not something I would wanna gamble on as to what information could be collected. The real concern I can see is the nature of that domain. Its not like a "regular" domain in that it doesn't resolve to a URL that is reachable from a browser. It provides connectivity at some point to an i.p. that is providing control words. From the looks of things there is a VPS (Virtual Private Server) in Lithuania providing the hosting and resulting name service.

But you are absolutely correct in that that domain could be redirected at any point to any i.p. and an end user would really never know.

right... forget what other thread but this will do. (pls move to appropriate thread if need be) but,.wanted to explain this info (taken from atdhe site) as it also pertains to DMCA
and dn trying to huff and puff with letters and using DMCA in their filings and arguments and how THESE guys are getting around the issue...
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c/p

ATDHE DMCA

DMCA Notice of Copyright Infringement

Atdhe TV is an online service provider as defined in the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
We provide legal copyright owners with the ability to self-publish on the Internet by uploading, storing and displaying various types of media. We do not actively monitor, screen or otherwise review the media which is uploaded to our servers by users of the service.

We take copyright violation very seriously and will vigorously protect the rights of legal copyright owners. If you are the copyright owner of content which appears on the Adthe TV website and you did not authorize the use of the content you must notify us in writing in order for us to identify the allegedly infringing content and take action.

In order to facilitate the process, we have provided an online form for your use. We will be unable to take any action if you do not provide us with the required information, so please fill out all fields accurately and completely. Alternatively, you may make a written notice via e-mail, facsimile or postal mail to our DMCA Agent as listed below. Your written notice must include the following:

Specific identification of the copyrighted work which you are alleging to have been infringed. If you are alleging infringement of multiple copyrighted works with a single notification you must submit a representative list which specifically identifies each of the works that you allege are being infringed.
Specific identification of the location and description of the material that is claimed to be infringing or to be the subject of infringing activity with enough detailed information to permit us to locate the material. You should include the specific URL or URLs of the web pages where the allegedly infringing material is located.
Information reasonably sufficient to allow us to contact the complaining party which may include a name, address, telephone number and electronic mail address at which the complaining party may be contacted.
A statement that the complaining party has a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent or the law.
A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.
Written notice should be sent to our designated agent as follows:

DMCA AGENT

Pedro Gonzáles, Calle El Atlántico Local Nro.19., El Alántico, Caracas, Venezuela.
Email: atdheeudmca at gmail dot com Please allow us certain time to bring the link down in case some user violated our policy. The timeframe is 24 hours, but it should be removed MUCH faster. Usually up to 2 hours or less. Our agent can not answer all mails and emails, but he takes all claims seriously and acts fast.
Please also note that under applicable law, 17 U.S.C. 512 (f), any person who knowingly materially misrepresents that material or activity is infringing may be subject to liability.

end c/p
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food for thought, i know that site has been under attack many times in the past for these suppos(ed) infringements and everytime they keep on chugging...doubt iks will die anytime soon judging from these guys..just an observation

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

Hmm that's a very good question and I'm not sure to be honest.

I mean its basically the government seizing domain names of sites at this point that deal with counterfeit goods and DMCA take downs and so forth. Any sites I have seen that have been seized now display a property of ICE splash screen. I would not rule out that a major player like DN/Nagra could at some point call this play into action but I have not witnessed it.

But now being that domain name ultimately resolves you to an i.p. that obviously provides the IKS service I'm not so certain of just what type of information could be gained from seizing that domain? I know its not something I would wanna gamble on as to what information could be collected. The real concern I can see is the nature of that domain. Its not like a "regular" domain in that it doesn't resolve to a URL that is reachable from a browser. It provides connectivity at some point to an i.p. that is providing control words. From the looks of things there is a VPS (Virtual Private Server) in Lithuania providing the hosting and resulting name service.

But you are absolutely correct in that that domain could be redirected at any point to any i.p. and an end user would really never know.


DN does not have the power the US Government has to seize domains. They can complain to the Government but they can not seize domains without a court order.


The US Government can even seize domains located outside of the US if companies with the contracts to administer them are located on American soil as therefore they fall under U.S. laws.



GS2

[sodusme]

DN does not have the power the US Government has to seize domains. They can complain to the Government but they can not seize domains without a court order.


The US Government can even seize domains located outside of the US if companies with the contracts to administer them are located on American soil as therefore they fall under U.S. laws.



GS2

Quite true however it is still DMCA violation and copyright infringement occurring. In other words I'm saying as long as the domain is used for that purpose it still opens itself up to being seized it doesn't matter who is on the "complaining" end of things. The U.S. government has seized and sued most notably Megaupload and just recently the MPAA was successful in getting Hotfile shut down. So the government didn't really have a "vested interest" in shutting down those domains but they did in their pursuit to protect us against terrorism and racketeering and other "perceived" online crimes. ;)

The only way they can seize a domain from outside U.S soil is if the registrar is ICANN registered. If they are not than there is little likelihood that the domain registrar will comply.


http://www.icann.org/registrar-reports/accredited-list.html

Basically that means they are a "reputable" registrar and will follow U.S. jurisdiction in most cases.

So with all that said why open yourself up to potential problems and use a .TV domain? When there are so many others to consider that cannot be touched by U.S. jurisdiction given that you host them on a TLD from outside the U.S. AND you use a non-ICANN compliant registrar to register the domain with.

[chestrockharder]

An IP connecting to a server could be for a myriad of reasons. Pinging, DNS request, HTTP get request, sending/receiving mail, etc. Unfortunately, the IKS servers do have to log connections to ensure that that one account isn't being logged in from multiple receivers (beyond the connection limit). Hopefully, they logrotate that log everyday. Even if not, a connection to a server could have been so much as someone testing server uptime with NOI or IKS4SUNS.

Absolutely correct, and exactly why they go after resellers. Easy to gain info from all of the sites they setup as they always without fail secure the panel or even turn logging off. and paypal or any other USA based host as they always use without fail comply with the lawyer letter asking for it leading to debacles like the wofman saga etc...

I will however point out that as of a few months ago it would have taking a gagle of 24/7 rotating teams to even get to a point of knowing an entranceable vulnerability point to scan with nfps. They do take security seriously as they should.....
always caves showing ip to payment, then they got ya.

[missclinton]

Absolutely correct, and exactly why they go after resellers. Easy to gain info from all of the sites they setup as they always without fail secure the panel or even turn logging off. and paypal or any other USA based host as they always use without fail comply with the lawyer letter asking for it leading to debacles like the wofman saga etc...

I will however point out that as of a few months ago it would have taking a gagle of 24/7 rotating teams to even get to a point of knowing an entranceable vulnerability point to scan with nfps. They do take security seriously as they should.....
always caves showing ip to payment, then they got ya.

on the PP thing, woulndt dn have way, way more letters sent? if one thinks about it, IF PP was so friendly towards DN's pursuit, there would be so many more going to court it would be uncontrollable...PP's info is only had through a reseller's board...no way DN's attorneys would subpeona all end users who bought dons off resellers or other means that were shared by many many thousands in PMs with several FTA/iks sites ESP those that were siezed?? and since its not known what the statute of limitation is? whats stopping DN via PP??

it is fashionable to blame PP directly for all this but really, a falacy...they (resellers)will have given up files and records all their own cuz it would be in their interest to co-operate with dn/nag, hence, no need for subpeonas

[sodusme]

on the PP thing, woulndt dn have way, way more letters sent? if one thinks about it, IF PP was so friendly towards DN's pursuit, there would be so many more going to court it would be uncontrollable...PP's info is only had through a reseller's board...no way DN's attorneys would subpeona all end users who bought dons off resellers or other means that were shared by many many thousands in PMs with several FTA/iks sites ESP those that were siezed?? and since its not known what the statute of limitation is? whats stopping DN via PP??

it is fashionable to blame PP directly for all this but really, a falacy...they (resellers)will have given up files and records all their own cuz it would be in their interest to co-operate with dn/nag, hence, no need for subpeonas

I've always advocated that not all the blame rests on Paypals shoulders. Its up to these "resellers" to be securing things. Now of course we have had some lengthy discussions too on what you could use for securing files but PGP encryption comes to mind. To my knowledge it has not even been broken by the NSA. But than why secure things if you are just going to roll over anyways? You need people selling these things that know what they are doing security wise and won't get caught in the first place.

[missclinton]

I've always advocated that not all the blame rests on Paypals shoulders. Its up to these "resellers" to be securing things. Now of course we have had some lengthy discussions too on what you could use for securing files but PGP encryption comes to mind. To my knowledge it has not even been broken by the NSA. But than why secure things if you are just going to roll over anyways? You need people selling these things that know what they are doing security wise and won't get caught in the first place.

not to mention dn has prob traced thousnds upon thousands and still do
trace ips taken off those public servers they seized... and even monotoring traffic off private servers they are attempting to seize even today and can prob find many end users but cant do much about it...remember that ilink message that appeared on tv screens when it was nearing end of public connection?

[sodusme]

not to mention dn has prob traced thousnds upon thousands and still do
trace ips taken off those public servers they seized... and even monotoring traffic off private servers they are attempting to seize even today and can prob find many end users but cant do much about it...remember that ilink message that appeared on tv screens when it was nearing end of public connection?

Was that the phone number to Hagan, Noll and Boyle? I remember that if it was. The number appeared on the screen and said to call it or something? I always thought that was a DNS poison issue. Where basically you have the DNS return something other than the URL its supposed to be returning.

[xfiles]

If they did acquire the ips and they in fact could use them in litigation.. It would already be too late to worry about still using the server.... jmho..
Exactly right...the writing was on the wall almost 2 years ago when donations were trashed and had to redonate.
Never could understand why anyone would go back.....to save10 cents???