dp34 and bev+dn

[zokii1983]

hi

Just have a question regarding the dp34 setup for bev+dn
since dp34 has 3 in ... is is possible to hook up 5 lnbs to it?
I tired with Baff DSW-41 ... but I can't get it to work?
110 = port 1 (dp34)
119 = port 2 (dp34)
129 = port 3 (dp34) port 1 (DSW-41)
82 = port 3 (dp34) port 2 (DSW-41)
91 = port 3 (dp34) port 3 (DSW-41)

so is this possible at all with 4x1 or do I need sw21 ... or it can't be done

thanks

[Terryl]

It's better to use two Diseqc switches and a 22 kHz switch to go between the two.

It would be like this.

Diseqc port # 1 = 110W, 22 KHz off
Diseqc port # 2 = 119W, 22 KHz off
Diseqc port # 3 = 129W, 22 KHz off
Diseqc port # 1 = 82W, 22 KHz on
Diseqc port # 2 = 91W, 22 KHz on

[dishuser]

hi

Just have a question regarding the dp34 setup for bev+dn
since dp34 has 3 in ... is is possible to hook up 5 lnbs to it?
I tired with Baff DSW-41 ... but I can't get it to work?
110 = port 1 (dp34)
119 = port 2 (dp34)
129 = port 3 (dp34) port 1 (DSW-41)
82 = port 3 (dp34) port 2 (DSW-41)
91 = port 3 (dp34) port 3 (DSW-41)

so is this possible at all with 4x1 or do I need sw21 ... or it can't be done

thanks
how many receivers?

[StanW]

What type of lnbs are you using ?

[dishuser]

What type of lnbs are you using ?

my guess would be dp

[StanW]

my guess would be dp
Could be , or rather should . Other question which receiver , most fta have a hard time powering up a dp34.

[zokii1983]

It's better to use two Diseqc switches and a 22 kHz switch to go between the two.

It would be like this.

Diseqc port # 1 = 110W, 22 KHz off
Diseqc port # 2 = 119W, 22 KHz off
Diseqc port # 3 = 129W, 22 KHz off
Diseqc port # 1 = 82W, 22 KHz on
Diseqc port # 2 = 91W, 22 KHz on
I tested with 82 and 110 on port 1
no go ... only 82 works

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UfVambQcdw
and 2 receivers so far...

[zokii1983]

dual lnb, dreamlink and other receiver is jynx
I guess video answer all those question

[dishuser]

dual lnb, dreamlink and other receiver is jynx
I guess video answer all those question

you have switch set to off

[zokii1983]

you have switch set to off
Just tried it...
same thing (if you are talking about DISEqC 1.1)

[StanW]

dual lnb, dreamlink and other receiver is jynx
I guess video answer all those question
110/22khz should be set to of.The jumping S on 110 indicates a problem - more thsn likely the diseqc switch is blown. The setup that terryl suggested is only good with one receiver.

Your dp34 will only work with dp or dpp lnbs .

[zokii1983]

nothing wrong with switch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOFzsG1lYdw

110,119,129,82 connected to Baff DSW-41 work just fine

[StanW]

The assumption is that the first video was with Terryls setup , ie 2 diseqc combined with a 22KHz. Was this the case ?

[zokii1983]

yes
first video
110 port 1 (DSW-41)
82 port 2 (DSW-41)

connected to port 1 on dp34

[zokii1983]

second video
82,110,119,129 connected to DSW-41 only
dp34 is not connected at all in 2dn video, since I wanted to make sure that Baff DSW-41 works fine

[StanW]

yes
first video
110 port 1 (DSW-41)
82 port 2 (DSW-41)

connected to port 1 on dp34
That won't work. Go back and reread the entire thread.

[zokii1983]

not sure what you mean...
if you can elaborate, I would really appreciate it

thanks

[zokii1983]

It's better to use two Diseqc switches and a 22 kHz switch to go between the two.

It would be like this.

Diseqc port # 1 = 110W, 22 KHz off
Diseqc port # 2 = 119W, 22 KHz off
Diseqc port # 3 = 129W, 22 KHz off
Diseqc port # 1 = 82W, 22 KHz on
Diseqc port # 2 = 91W, 22 KHz on

This is the way I understood this
Connect 110 and 82 to port 1 and port 2 on DSW-41 ... combine them to port 1 on DP34
Connect 119 and 91 to port 1 and port 2 on (another) DSW-41 ... combine them to port 2 on DP34
Connect 129 directly to port 3 on DP34

was I wrong?

[StanW]

not sure what you mean...
if you can elaborate, I would really appreciate it

thanks
Bottom line is that you can't combine the dp34 with a diseqc to receive 5 sats to 2 receivers. The option that Terryl suggested is only good for 1 receiver. There are switches that will let you do it tho.

Getting late - good night.

[StanW]

This is the way I understood this
Connect 110 and 82 to port 1 and port 2 on DSW-41 ... combine them to port 1 on DP34
Connect 119 and 91 to port 1 and port 2 on (another) DSW-41 ... combine them to port 2 on DP34
Connect 129 directly to port 3 on DP34

was I wrong?
You were , no where does he speak of the dp34. In this setup dn is on one diseqc bev on a second one - the 2 are combined by a 22KHz (or a sw21 ). This is only good for 1 receiver.

[zokii1983]

Thanks for you reply

so really, there is no way to connect 5 lnbs to dp34 (even with sw21)?

if there is, I would like to know how .. and what switch I need

once again, thanks for your answers

[StanW]

Thanks for you reply

so really there is not way to do this, even with sw21
Correct , would have been possible with a dp44/sw21.

[dishuser]

Just tried it...
same thing (if you are talking about DISEqC 1.1)

no I'm not

[dishuser]

Correct , would have been possible with a dp44/sw21.

nope
need a dp 21
sw 21 is for legacy
there is a difference

[StanW]

nope
need a dp 21
sw 21 is for legacy
there is a difference
Hey I knew that. lol

[fputs]

DP switch only works with DP lnbs

[zokii1983]

DP switch only works with DP lnbs

keeps getting better and better lol
so I need dp lnbs, and dp21 switch to get this working?

[StanW]

DP switch only works with DP lnbs


keeps getting better and better lol
so I need dp lnbs, and dp21 switch to get this working?
You were made aware of which lnbs will work with a dp34 last night (in several posts).

[zokii1983]

You were made aware of which lnbs will work with a dp34 last night (in several posts).
... yeah, looks like dp34 was a waste of money

what is the best way to connect 5 dual lnbs to more then one receiver?

[fputs]

keeps getting better and better lol
so I need dp lnbs, and dp21 switch to get this working?

You keep on getting worse; what the hell is a DP21?
If you want help, you should learn to listen and also get your facts straight.

[zokii1983]

You keep on getting worse; what the hell is a DP21?
If you want help, you should learn to listen and also get your facts straight.
wtf??
did I said something to upset you .. as far I can tell, I was nothing but nice and thankful for answers
I opened thread and I asked question .. is that wrong?
nobody is forcing you to answer my question... if you don't wanna help, that's fine, you can just ignore thread .. but just because you know the answer doesn't mean you should be a smart ass
but if moderators/admin have the same feelings as you, feel free to close the thread

I'll find answers else where

[dishuser]

You keep on getting worse; what the hell is a DP21?
If you want help, you should learn to listen and also get your facts straight.
read post #24

[Terryl]

... yeah, looks like dp34 was a waste of money

what is the best way to connect 5 dual lnbs to more then one receiver?


The BEST way?

If only using FTA receivers then sell off the DP LNB's and DP34 switch and go to 5 single satellite legacy type LNB's, then use 2 legacy 4x4 multiswitches, this gives you 5 satellite inputs, SAT 1 A/B, SAT 2 A/B, SAT 3 A/B, on one switch, SAT 1 A/B and SAT2 A/B on the other.

Then the SW21 switch can be used to go between the two legacy switches, one per receiver.


It is very hard to get a 5 input to more the 2 output switch that will work correctly with a DP dual LNB, some have done it, some have had troubles, it all depends on the brand (or brands) of receivers you are using and the type of switches involved.

Dish and BEV never had a setup that used more then 4 satellites (Dish 110,118,119,129, BEV 82, 91) so their switching equipment was never designed to work more then Diseqc 1 to 4. (on non legacy equipment)

My setup I mentioned was for a single receiver as you didn't post how many you were going to use and what type/brand they are.


You could duplicate the switch setup by using the second output of the DP dual LNB and it may or may not work, but you would be limited to 2 receivers only, and there cant be a Dish or Bell receiver in the mix, it wont work.

Two DP34 switches could be used with a 22 KHz switch to go between them,(one at each receiver) but again there could be switching problems due to the DP type LNB's.

But one thing I try to avoid is adding too much stuff to the system, the more you add the less signal you will have to work with, each switch adds 3 to 6 dB of signal loss, the same with all the coax jumpers that go between all the LNB's and switches.

It can all add up to a switching problem in the future as things age.


So in my opinion if you are not trying to still use a Dish or Bell receiver in this mix, then go back to the legacy style LNB's they use a DC voltage to switch the transponder polarity, they will have a +13 and a +18 volt input.

Then the switch needed to simplify the setup would have 5 (or more) A/B inputs (one set of A/B inputs per LNB) to 4 receiver outputs, EMP makes switches like this, so does Spaun, but it is hard to find a switch with only 5 satellite inputs to more then 2 receiver outputs that is cheap and works.


So a second setup would be, to again get rid of the DP type LNB's and go to 5 dual or quad output standard LNB's (problem is that this type will not fit a Dish or Bell LNB bracket, you would have to change that) and use a Diseqc 2.0 switch, one per FTA receiver.

But what ever you do to get this setup running, be sure to ground all switches to one main ground point, this can eliminate any ground loop problems that can cause switching problems.