Dish 1000.2

[hifreq]

I have a 1000.2 Dish for Dishnet and am wondering if I can use my Nfusion HD fta box on it???????
I have done some reading which indicates many of the FTA boxes do work on these dishes. However, I am not sure about the Nfusion being able to drive the switch in this dish LNB set up.
Does anyone here know if the Nfusion HD works with a dish 1000.2????

Thanks for any help.

Hifreq

[fn59]

You may need a dp44 power inserter, not sure if nfusions can supply the amperage to dish 1000 series lnb's.
Diseqc settings would be 119 port 1, 110 port 2, and 129 port 3.

[ramrod]

I have had the dish since it came out. i have used it with every stb i've acquired over the years, regardless of the stb output voltage. all worked the dish fine.

[WillDekkard]

I have a 1000.2 Dish for Dishnet and am wondering if I can use my Nfusion HD fta box on it???????
I have done some reading which indicates many of the FTA boxes do work on these dishes. However, I am not sure about the Nfusion being able to drive the switch in this dish LNB set up.
Does anyone here know if the Nfusion HD works with a dish 1000.2????

Thanks for any help.

Hifreq

I believe the nFusion HD box puts out 1000mA which will power that DPP LNB. Just take a look at the back of your receiver as it should indicate the milli-amps. You need about 750mA or so to power that LNB.

[Terryl]

I have had the dish since it came out. i have used it with every stb i've acquired over the years, regardless of the stb output voltage. all worked the dish fine.

The NFusion HD LNB input port spec is 1000 mA DC to the LNB, so it will handle the 3 headed LNB on the Dish 1000.2 without problems.

But not all FTA receivers can do this, most have a 450 to 500 mA spec,(it's not the voltage but how much DC current it can supply) this is not enough to handle or supply the 620 to 650 mA required by that LNB, so saying that all you have worked fine, doesn't mean that others will be as lucky.

You may have one that requires less DC current then others, also others may not have your setup, or be using it the same way.

The published engineering spec on that LNB is 650 mA DC for the current draw, I have bench tested 20 of these LNB's (Dish engineering has tested thousands) using a special LNB test bed, and have found that the average DC current requirement to be around 633 mA, lowest was around 609 mA, the highest was 662 mA, so you can see that some may take less then others, and some may take more, and if you add a second DP LNB to the input port on that one, the DC current draw goes up even more.

The only other FTA receiver that can run this LNB (that I know of) without the add on switch is the SV 360 elite, it too has a 1000 mA spec on the LNB input port.

[hifreq]

Thanks for all the input. I have been away on business and was unable to get back till now.

I did check the Nfusion at the LNB input and it is 1000mA . So I gave it try and it worked but with problems???
Got the HD channels all in the 9400 string but many of the SD channels stopped working?????
I think there is a setting that needs to be changed. Something to do with SD & HD channles conflicting or dupicates???

So we have some progress. Appreciate the help.

hifreq

[Terryl]

That LNB has an internal switch, so make sure something didn't change in you satellite settings.

Diseqc # 1 = 119.
Diseqc # 2 = 110.
Diseqc # 3 = 129.


Some of the new bin's may reset some of the unit's parameters to its default settings. (seen it happen)

[hifreq]

Alright, I am hooked up with the new dish 1000.2 with a 3 LNB. Now I have it lined up. Getting 119,110 & 129 However there is
a problem. First here is what I am running.
Nfusion HD 1000Ma output to LNB
Settings : LNB S11250
Discqe mode Discqe 1.0 ( DP 21,34)
Port 1/119 port 2 110 & port 3 129
Legacy sw disabled
Tp list 19. 12472H2000
Sig 77% Quality 0%

TP 12437V2000
sig 77% Q 99%

That's my problem???? All vertical TPs are 0% on 119 & 110 Sats But 129 Sat all is good vetical and horizontal/???

Can anyone tell me if this is an LNB problem which is what I am suspecting????

[Terryl]

Use TP 12457R for 119W and TP 12516 for 129W, they are CONUS beams.

And I think you have the wrong setting for the LNB type, it needs to be a OCS-DP, Dish, or something like that.

The D1000 LNB uses band stacking to get all the TP's down the coax at once, so your receiver needs to know that you have the D1000 LNB or you will miss out on a bunch of TP's.

Also your coax needs to be able to handle the higher frequency band used by this LNB for the band stacking, it needs to be swept to 2.5 or 3 GHz or your out of luck.

[hifreq]

Thanks for the info. I am not able to change to the OCS-DP setting. That option is not available on the Nfusion FTA box.

However I have made a few changes to the LNB types and found that I now am getting many Horz. channels/TPs but they are all the HD type on 110 and 129. Very interesting?????? There may be a a setting that was made many moons ago when a different bin was being used. There was a setting that had to be changed to stop duplicate channels due to the HD channels. Either you had all HD channels where available or you had duplictes. Made a mess of the EPG.????

As it stands now I will need to do an extensive amount of channel editing in order to make the epg appear some what normal???? It would take a lot of work just to find out waht the channels are because many are listed just as numbers and have no ID. Plus I do not get all the HD channels from 110 & 129. I think there are few on 119 as well???

This is what I have found out so far. Is anyone else out there using an Nfusion FTA box with a Dish 1000.2 with a 3 LNB ??????
I sure would interested in their results.

Hifreq

I don't believe that can be changed any more and if can I do not know how???

[Terryl]

Can you list all the different LNB settings/types you have available?

[Terryl]

I think you need to use DPLNBF......On all satellite settings.

[hifreq]

OK !

Here are the LNB settings I have available:
Standard
Universal
Legacy Twin LNB1
" " LNB2
Legacy Quad LNB1
" " LNB2
DPLNBF

That is all I can choose from. I will give try using the DPLNBF option today and report back.

At this point I beleive what I am getting is most all the HD channels but N**S does not have all the HDs open so I can not watch the SD channels. That is because I can not get the Horizontal TPs on 119 & 110 which are the SD channels. Very strange. i am still thinking thee is a problem with the LNB or switch?????

My other set up is a 18" dish with 2 legacy LNBs for 119 & 110 & then a seperate 18" dish with a legacy LNB for 129. I use 4x1 sw.
This all works fine and I have no trouble getting all TPs regardless if they are H or V

When I try the DPLNBF option I will do a factory default and then a new scan. Shall see what happens and report????

[hifreq]

Alright ! I tried using the DPLNBF option and that doesn't work very well. On sat 129 it will not work at all. Now using
Universal option with Discqe 1.0 ( DP 21,34). Legacy switch disabled. I still do not understand why I caN not get the Horizontal
TPs on 119 & 110?????? However, I discovered that some of the channels which are Horizontal TP still work even though I show on the antenna settings no Quality but a signal???? Just crazy ! Hope this is making some kind of sense.

My best thoughts on this is the switch and LNB are working properly. There isn't any sense to down loading TPS that are SD when there are corresponding HD TPs??????? At best this is my guess. I can not at this time really test this dish as I have DTV right now and will switch over to Dish network in February. My 2 yr agreement is up at that time.

I will then order Dish service and test this dish with a VIP 211K box and the 1000.2 dish.

I am pretty much getting a lot of HD channels off the 129 sat and also a few off the 110 sat. Many work but many do not as they are not open with the NF*P* $P. In this case then I can not watch an SD channel in place of the HD which is not open. Some I can but many I can not. So for now I will put the dish away until later and use my current set up which gives me all TPs V & H.

This is why I am confused.

I was hoping that I could get rid of the dish set up I currently have and use the 1000.2 for both Dishnet and my Nfusion. No such luck. Better of using what I have set up..

Thanks for all the help. If you have any more thoughts I sure would appreciate hearing them.

Hifreq

[fn59]

Alright ! I tried using the DPLNBF option and that doesn't work very well. On sat 129 it will not work at all. Now using
Universal option with Discqe 1.0 ( DP 21,34). Legacy switch disabled. I still do not understand why I caN not get the Horizontal
TPs on 119 & 110?????? However, I discovered that some of the channels which are Horizontal TP still work even though I show on the antenna settings no Quality but a signal???? Just crazy ! Hope this is making some kind of sense.

My best thoughts on this is the switch and LNB are working properly. There isn't any sense to down loading TPS that are SD when there are corresponding HD TPs??????? At best this is my guess. I can not at this time really test this dish as I have DTV right now and will switch over to Dish network in February. My 2 yr agreement is up at that time.

I will then order Dish service and test this dish with a VIP 211K box and the 1000.2 dish.

I am pretty much getting a lot of HD channels off the 129 sat and also a few off the 110 sat. Many work but many do not as they are not open with the NF*P* $P. In this case then I can not watch an SD channel in place of the HD which is not open. Some I can but many I can not. So for now I will put the dish away until later and use my current set up which gives me all TPs V & H.

This is why I am confused.

I was hoping that I could get rid of the dish set up I currently have and use the 1000.2 for both Dishnet and my Nfusion. No such luck. Better of using what I have set up..

Thanks for all the help. If you have any more thoughts I sure would appreciate hearing them.

Hifreq

DP lnb's do not use horizontal tp's, they are converted to a higher freq. and stacked above the vertical ones. This way only one voltage is needed by the lnb.

[hifreq]

fn59:

Now I think I understand what is happening with the Nfusion hooked up to the 1000.2 dish. This means I can not get all the channels/TPs using the Nfusion. I had high hopes??????? I guess this also expalins why I am able to still watch a few TP/channels
which are horizontal even though there is no quality indication. Weired ! Some work majority do not.

A least I know the dish is working as it should. I did hook it up to a vip 211k dish box and it passed all the tests.

Thanks for the explaination on how this dish LNBs and switch works.

Hifreq

[Terryl]

DP lnb's do not use horizontal tp's, they are converted to a higher freq. and stacked above the vertical ones. This way only one voltage is needed by the lnb.


This was explained to him in my #9 post.

When the receiver is set to use the DP or DPP type LNB's (DPLNBF) only one DC voltage is provided, and that is the +18 volts, the horizontal transponders are then put in a band from 1950 to 2450 MHz.

This is why you must select the correct LNB type (DPLNBF for your brand of receiver) in your satellite settings for 110, 119 and 129, or you will be missing all the H (or L) transponders.

Also when using a DP or DPP LNB your coax has to be rated or swept to 2.5 to 3 GHz, or you will be missing the high end band due to too much RF attenuation in the coax, normal CATV or TV coax only goes to 1 GHz.

So also check all coax jumpers (if used) and all coax to the receiver for the proper type.

If this does not work then there is something wrong with the receivers software as it is what selects the correct LO frequency to be used to switch between the bands, 11250 for the lower V or R transponder band (normal), and 16520 for the H or L transponder band.

Dish DP or DPP LNB.

LO = 11250, this down converts all the Vertical or Right polarity transponders to a band from 950 to 1450 MHz, this is the normal range of most standard or legacy LNB's. (this is why you get all the V only)

LO = 16520, this up-converts all the Horizontal or Left polarity transponders to a band from 1950 to 2450 MHz, this higher frequency band is separated by a 500 MHz guard band.


In a standard or legacy LNB all transponders are available but are switched between H/L and V/R by a DC voltage, +13 volts equals V/R transponders, +18 volts equals H/L transponders.

[hifreq]

Terrly:

Thank you for the in depth explaination. I do understand these things but perhaps your not totally understanding what I was attempting to determine.
I had a dish whcih I purchased off e bay and wasn't sure of it's operational quality. Then there was this FTA Nfusion box which has it's own limitation with analog vs digital and frequency bands.

After trying various settings and also finally hooking the dish up to a dish receiver I determined that the dish lnbs and switch were in fact working correctly.

Now as for the FTA receiver. It has a narrow frequency band capability which does not allow it to work or detect the 16250 frequency range. So when it looks for the horizontal tps which are at the 1950 to 2450 MHz
band it does not see them because thay are out of range.

Setting the LNB option with this recceiver does work but with limitations. Many tps/channels are excluded due to the frequency limitation of this receiver and that explains why some channels are not available. Most if not all of the HD channels/TPs, H/V are detected and work. The cable I am using meets or exceeds the frequency range requried in this set up. It's all new.

Most testers possibly would not be aware of what the receiver can recieve using a legacy LNB set up vs. the DPLNBF set up if they have never tried it. Therefore would be happy with the results. I for one would be happy with what I did get not knowing other options.

This receiver is obviously designed for the Legacy type LNBs. Not saying it does not work with DPLNBF option ! It just has it's limitations.

I apprciate your time and help. You made me think about many things I had not initially considered. Thanks to you & fn59 I now have a better understandiing.

Cheers !

Hifreq

[kg1]

hello,
i am new bee,but use to have fta boxes in 2010nfusion hd .since then i never tried untill now.so please tell me what i need to do.i have nfusionhd and viewsat9000hd and dish 1000.2 with dp plus with power inverter.i already bricked the linksys wrt54g v.8.2 router trying to flash.do i need to pay for the server?or it is free as before.thanks in advance.

[Terryl]

Terrly:

Thank you for the in depth explaination. I do understand these things but perhaps your not totally understanding what I was attempting to determine.
I had a dish whcih I purchased off e bay and wasn't sure of it's operational quality. Then there was this FTA Nfusion box which has it's own limitation with analog vs digital and frequency bands.

After trying various settings and also finally hooking the dish up to a dish receiver I determined that the dish lnbs and switch were in fact working correctly.

Now as for the FTA receiver. It has a narrow frequency band capability which does not allow it to work or detect the 16250 frequency range. So when it looks for the horizontal tps which are at the 1950 to 2450 MHz
band it does not see them because thay are out of range.

Setting the LNB option with this recceiver does work but with limitations. Many tps/channels are excluded due to the frequency limitation of this receiver and that explains why some channels are not available. Most if not all of the HD channels/TPs, H/V are detected and work. The cable I am using meets or exceeds the frequency range requried in this set up. It's all new.

Most testers possibly would not be aware of what the receiver can recieve using a legacy LNB set up vs. the DPLNBF set up if they have never tried it. Therefore would be happy with the results. I for one would be happy with what I did get not knowing other options.

This receiver is obviously designed for the Legacy type LNBs. Not saying it does not work with DPLNBF option ! It just has it's limitations.

I apprciate your time and help. You made me think about many things I had not initially considered. Thanks to you & fn59 I now have a better understandiing.

Cheers !

Hifreq

Look for an "OCS-DP" or "Dish" setting as the LNB type, quite a few FTA receivers have this option, this allows the receiver to detect and utilize the band-stacking that Dish uses on their DP and DPP LNB's.